New liquor licences in city

[Graygleam]

“The Save-A-Lot situation troubles me because they are targeting the disadvantaged,” said Handshoe, citing an income survey indicating 55 percent of Kendallville is low to moderate income.

“Save-A-Lot is where a large number of low to moderate income citizens shop. Now they can make the choice between low cost groceries and low cost alcohol,” added Handshoe. “I’m only trying to improve the city.”

Kendallville News Sun 6/19/2008
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I have been shopping at Save-A-Lot since they came to Kendallville. Imagine
my suprise to discover that I am "disavantaged", and because of that fact, I
am unable to make responsible decisions concerning purchasing alcohol. I am just thankful there are people like our mayor to watch out for us dumb poor folks.

The condensending arrogance of this mayor is astounding and sad.

[hairypumper]

Heaven forbid Good Will or the Salvation Army come to town. I'm sure no "disadvantaged" people shop at Kroger or Wal-mart.

[ebbieday]

...Sounds to me like she is holding on to those licenses for somebody else.

I have to say...that is exactly what I thought when I read that article. Is she related to the owner of the future new Walgreen's in Kendallville, perhaps? :hmmmm: My husband I are not "disadvantaged" and we still shop at Aldi in Columbia City. Ya gotta save a penny anywhere you can, right?

[ltzheather]

“The Save-A-Lot situation troubles me because they are targeting the disadvantaged,” said Handshoe, citing an income survey indicating 55 percent of Kendallville is low to moderate income.

“Save-A-Lot is where a large number of low to moderate income citizens shop. Now they can make the choice between low cost groceries and low cost alcohol,” added Handshoe. “I’m only trying to improve the city.”

I am just thankful there are people like our mayor to watch out for us dumb poor folks.

The condensending arrogance of this mayor is astounding and sad.

I'm not even old enough to buy liquor yet, and this troubles me to hear. Where is the logic and facts to support the argument that allowing Save-A-Lot this license will hurt "the disadvantaged" ? If someone of low-income wants to buy alcohol, then they will buy it, whether it is at this store or another. And where's the facts to support that Save-A-Lot is targeting any groups of people? They are a business that provides goods to everyone. It is not the mayor's job to decide that your income level determines whether or not you are responsible when purchasing alcohol. This also saddens me.

[cynicalfoe]

“The Save-A-Lot situation troubles me because they are targeting the disadvantaged,” said Handshoe, citing an income survey indicating 55 percent of Kendallville is low to moderate income.

“Save-A-Lot is where a large number of low to moderate income citizens shop. Now they can make the choice between low cost groceries and low cost alcohol,” added Handshoe. “I’m only trying to improve the city.”

Kendallville News Sun 6/19/2008
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Certainly she did not mean it the way she stated it.....did she? I have shopped in Save-A-Lot a few times but now I really don't want to go back there because people will think that I am disadvantaged. Maybe if they get an unlit back door that I could use then I will go back.
It seems the Mayor has the mistaken belief that someone who is in financial need is also lacking in brains. Simply amazing.

[ebbieday]

Looks like the store owner got his license after all. Congrats to him in the fight to keep up with the competition.

[james_t]

The full story ebbie is referring to is here:

http://www.fwdailynews.com/articles/2008/06/25/news/the_news_sun/doc486252cfbf2d4171526130.txt

[happygolucky]

If the mayor gets her way, and Mr. Sturgis looses his appeal, what do we as the public do when she awards one of these evil licenses to Walgreens, or anybody else?


I am not 100% sure, but if there is a pharmacy included in the store then a liquior license is not needed. I believe, i may be wrong........ This is what i have heard through the grapevine. Anybody else know?

[happygolucky]

“The Save-A-Lot situation troubles me because they are targeting the disadvantaged,” said Handshoe, citing an income survey indicating 55 percent of Kendallville is low to moderate income.

“Save-A-Lot is where a large number of low to moderate income citizens shop. Now they can make the choice between low cost groceries and low cost alcohol,” added Handshoe. “I’m only trying to improve the city.”

Kendallville News Sun 6/19/2008
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I have been shopping at Save-A-Lot since they came to Kendallville. Imagine
my suprise to discover that I am "disavantaged", and because of that fact, I
am unable to make responsible decisions concerning purchasing alcohol. I am just thankful there are people like our mayor to watch out for us dumb poor folks.

The condensending arrogance of this mayor is astounding and sad.


Man o Man me and jimbo the oder day shoped at that thar sav a lot in kenderbilly. Man i culdn't b leve thar wan't no licker thar. That is ****. all i wnted was to get lickerd up and have sum fun out thar in the big city of kenderbilly. yee haww!!!!!! Silly mayor -- handshoe

(if this offends anybody i am sorry, i am making a pint...i mean a point.) :beerglass:

[Laker22]

I think the mayor is anti alcohol all together.....judging by the number of 'public intoxication' arrests, I think she has told the police department to make all the alcohol arrests they possible can.

[reganf]

I am NOT anti-alcohol. However, I do believe that care and prudence should be exercised in granting liqour licenses. The bigger issue for me is that I believe that the City of Kendallville has about 30 locations within the city that currently sells alcohol already. That's one license for about every 300 men, women and children in our City. At what point do we pass the point of being responsible with granting licenses?

There are applications for new licenses on a regular basis and still others that seem to have the right to appeal their denial over and over again or drag out the process for months and years until those in opposition can no longer make the drive to Indianapolis or spend half a day in a hearing room.

How many licenses are enough? And, shouldn't WE, here locally, have the right to say "yes" or "no" and have the right to determine which applicants WE believe to be the most responsible over the determination of some state agency? Should an applicant for a liquor license with a history of selling cigarettes to minors be also allowed to sell alcohol?

Applicants for licenses will argue that there is an unmet community need. With a ratio of 1 license to 300 people, I frankly find that hard to believe. The fact is that this is about big money, pure and simple. I just want our community to have more of a right to self determination, to have a REAL local say in these matters, to be abolutely certain that licenses are granted only to those who are truly responsible and to assure that minors cannot have access.

[bigbass]

At what point do we pass the point of being responsible with granting licenses?


Responsibility granting licenses isn't a numbers game. Is it? It should not matter if you grant 1 or a 1000, you need to exercise the same level of responsibility on each one.
As far as how many licenses are enough, if you have 1 for every 300 people, what's wrong with 1 for every 250 people, or 1 for every 50 people? Provided the establishments that have them are monitored as they are now.
When people stop buying from 1 or more of these establishments they will go out of business. If there are enough people to support all of these establishment, then theres no problem. After all, it is a legal business, and business is good for the community. Right?

[happygolucky]

I think the mayor is anti alcohol all together.....judging by the number of 'public intoxication' arrests, I think she has told the police department to make all the alcohol arrests they possible can.

I don't believe it is the mayor forcing her hand, i believe it is the stupidity that people get from being hopped up on the hops and not being able to call it quits.

I heard that on saturday night at closing time a huge fight happened that the Crazy Horse where a EMS was called to also. It isn't the alcohol that is the problem, people are the problem not being able to call it quits when it is too much. Just like the old saying "GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE."
ALCOHOL DOESN'T GET YOU IN TROUBLE, YOU GET YOURSELF IN TROUBLE.

It goes back to Mr Regan, the establishments have to be responsible, store have to be responsible, PEOPLE HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE.

[james_t]

4rth,Who is the WE? and finally this was all about who gets a license, and if you ask me SAVE_A_LOT should have been allowed. ... They obviously did not follow the will of the people. Apparently you don't either.

It may be a little much to promote your own opinion as the will of the people. The will of a person or group of people perhaps, but the will of the people is generally proven at the ballot box, or perhaps through grassroots efforts to change the minds of elected officials.


The Mayor, [obviously you are a fan or sycophant]

reganf has previously identified himself on Fence Post as Kendallville city council member at-large Regan Ford.

[Concerned citizen]

:beerglass: I hardly believe that all the businesses holding liquor liscences in Kendallville do so with utmost responsibility. The local bars are the most obvious. I can guarantee they do not card everyone for age verification. There is such a thing as overserving someone. I think this is a concept that most local establishments have forgotten. It seems as long as you still have some money in your pocket, are awake, and are not physically fighting they ignore your intoxication level. Now, once you begin to physically fight, they warn you once, twice, maybe three times (depends how much money you spend in the bar on a daily basis) then ask you to leave. It never occurs to them anything they did (continue to serve) contributed to the situation.

I believe people who drink alchol have to take reponsibility for the outcome of their action while under the influence. However, I also believe businesses who hold liquor liscenses need to be responsible in selling and serving it.

[james_t]

This is unbelievable, When Mr. Ford says we should be able to make the decision he is allowed but I guess I am not allowed. He must be the people, or is just one of you? By the way, I did my own unofficial poll on this. Not one of the 40 people I asked, said they were against save a lot getting a license, and almost all of them said the mayor overstepped her authority.

Mr. Ford, as an elected representative, in theory represents the will of the people he serves, so he's probably a little bit more qualified to make statements about the will of the people. Not that you're not allowed to make similar statements, but in that you are an unknown quality, it's fair to call into question which views are your own and which would be more widely held - that's true for any of us, including me (even though I'm somewhat less anonymous).
If he is not in touch with the will of the people, he will likely find out come the next election.

[reganf]

Did I say anything about the Save-A-Lot matter? What I questioned and was hoping to get responses about is whether it would be better to perhaps have a local pannel of citizens and/or elected officials that had a REAL voice in deciding who gets licenses locally. Should local communities have a greater voice in self determining for themselves these kinds issues? I am not a fan of big government. If Shipshewana WANTS to be dry, shouldn't they be allowed that courtesy? IF Fort Wayne wants to sell liqour on every street corner, shouldn't they have they have that same power of self determination. In the same manner, If locally Kendallville determines that granting a particular license would NOT be in the best interest of the entire city, shouldn't the local community make that decision instead of state goverment?

I have said many times that I personally believe that government that's closest to the people is the BEST form of government. Why? Because locally it's easier for the public to know what's going on. Local governement by it's very nature attempts to respond to local issues and concerns. Unfortunately though, more and more decision-making is being done further and further away from the people. Local communities are losing their self-determination and are increasingly being controlled by whims of state and federal government. Even now, you would have to spend your days reading all the legal notices or read websites to follow the thousands of bills that have potential to become law at the state and federal level to even have a clue of what is happening. Then there are the state and federal commissions and agencies that have the power to promulgate administrative rules, which oftern carry the weight of law. These rules seem to almost always fly under the radar but their effects are far reaching.

I am asking these questions to learn from you, how you think these issues would best be decided. To debate home rule vs. bigger government. I did not mention any particular license application, but rather hoped to engage your thoughts beyond the scope that had been previously dealt with.

[LuciusBeebe]

“The Save-A-Lot situation troubles me because they are targeting the disadvantaged,” said Handshoe, citing an income survey indicating 55 percent of Kendallville is low to moderate income.


I guess I didn't realize that only poor people wished to save money on their purchases.



“Save-A-Lot is where a large number of low to moderate income citizens shop. Now they can make the choice between low cost groceries and low cost alcohol,” added Handshoe. “I’m only trying to improve the city.”


If they are 21 years of age or older, they have always had the choice between low cost groceries and low cost alcohol.



“I’m only trying to improve the city.”

Is that right?

Is that right...

I'm intrigued by this new concept the mayor is promoting. Improve the city by denying the poor folk access to alcohol like those upscale shoppers at Walmart.

I am fascinated and wish to hear more from Mayor Handshoe. I want to hear more of these proposals. Not enough is being done to keep the poor from the things the rest of us enjoy.

And shame, Shame!, on you, Save-a-lot! Forcing your booze on the clueless penniless folk! Mayor Handshoe is right! We can't expect the poor to make good decisions! How many will have to die of starvation before you realize that they cannot resist the pull of your sweet sweet alcohol?!

[evilkumquat]

C'mon man, don't you know that people are only poor because they're all lazy, shiftless bums who spend all their welfare money either gambling at the track or on paper-bagged bottles of rotgut?

Incidentally, is there even a "track" anywhere NEAR Kendalltucky?

[bigbass]

C'mon man, don't you know that people are only poor because they're all lazy, shiftless bums who spend all their welfare money either gambling at the track or on paper-bagged bottles of rotgut?

Incidentally, is there even a "track" anywhere NEAR Kendalltucky?

Hey Quat, are you talkin to me?

[photoboy]

Should local communities have a greater voice in self determining for themselves these kinds issues? I am not a fan of big government. If Shipshewana WANTS to be dry, shouldn't they be allowed that courtesy? IF Fort Wayne wants to sell liqour on every street corner, shouldn't they have they have that same power of self determination. In the same manner, If locally Kendallville determines that granting a particular license would NOT be in the best interest of the entire city, shouldn't the local community make that decision instead of state goverment?


I completely agree. I think that too many decisions on matters are being handled by people who have probably never step foot with-in the community they are making them for. If it wasn't for a map, they probably wouldnt even know how to get there either.

A group of State of Federal individuals should not have a say on whether Shipshewana should be a dry town or if this City should choose to sell liquor at every store. They dont live here and dont have a clue on what goes on. Just because it may look or sound good on paper, doesn't mean that it's good for the City or Town we live in. These regulations should be set by those who have to enforce them everyday.

[LuciusBeebe]

What? You don't like the representative form of government? Heavens to Betsy!

[Graygleam]

I do not believe the mayor is against alcohol at all. The mayor IS against "disadvantaged" (poor) people having to choose between cheap food and cheap alcohol. She realizes that we have neither the moral fiber, nor the family values, to make this type of responsible decision. If we had any gratitude, we would be thanking her for trying to save us from ourselves.

In any case, if you see me at Save-A-Lot, give me a smile and a wave. I'll be the one with the cart full of cheap beer.

Graygleam

[TheBigB]

I do not believe the mayor is against alcohol at all. The mayor IS against "disadvantaged" (poor) people having to choose between cheap food and cheap alcohol. She realizes that we have neither the moral fiber, nor the family values, to make this type of responsible decision. If we had any gratitude, we would be thanking her for trying to save us from ourselves.

In any case, if you see me at Save-A-Lot, give me a smile and a wave. I'll be the one with the cart full of cheap beer.

Graygleam

I'm surprised we've gotten this far in the thread about some comments about this decision having racial/cultural undertones behind it. Or maybe there have been, and James or Matt have dealt with those appropriately.

One question, Gray - will your cart contain a stack of cases of beer, or a pile of 40 oz-ers? :beer:

[james_t]

I'm surprised we've gotten this far in the thread about some comments about this decision having racial/cultural undertones behind it. Or maybe there have been, and James or Matt have dealt with those appropriately.

The mayor is a public figure who made a public decision, so that's a little more fair game for criticism - not unlike the thread criticizing Rep. Souder or those criticizing Congress, President Bush, Hillary Clinton, etc. And of course, she or anyone who feels she's being criticized unfairly is free to offer a rebuttal.

[LuciusBeebe]

“Now they can make the choice between low cost groceries and low cost alcohol,” added Handshoe.

You know, after reading this again, she sounds like a commercial for Save-a-lot.

[evilkumquat]

Hey Quat, are you talkin to me?

Are you the guy who tries washing my windows with that greasy rag every time I hit the intersection at the corner of 8? :coffee:

----------------------------------------------------

PS. I picked that emoticon because, if you squint, it could almost be a guy holding out a can of pencils.

[james_t]

Mr. James T, the will of the people was performed by the elected officials that reversed the Mayors opinion.So in essence you are correct the ballot box spoke.And I really appreciate the way you stay on top of me.

I'm a stickler for accuracy; it's somewhat of an occupational hazard. Speaking of which:
- They didn't exactly reverse the mayor's decision. As Mr. Ford pointed out, she doesn't make the decision; she expressed her opinion about it to the county board, which deadlocked. At that point, Jeff Sturgis appealed to the state board, which approved the license.
- Indiana Alcohol and Tobacco Commission members are not elected to their position. They are appointed by the governor.

http://www.in.gov/atc/2413.htm

[TyrsFountain]

I can't believe it...

I overheard about this forum, specifically, this thread, at a party yesterday (happy belated 4th, btw), and was so amazed to hear about a local discussion's forum, that i simply had to make an avatar here.

A couple comments i would like to add to the 'flames' pot, if i may... ya' know, to stir things up a bit, hahaha!!!!:ridinghorse:

I would be willing to bet that a fairly decent percentage of the town of Kendallville fall into the low to moderate income situation, I mean, i was raised there, I have lived alongside the residents (lol, at least 55% after rereading this thread for statement checking)... I think people are missing the finer details of this lovely statement by the Mayor, which unfortunetly plays well into her hand.
I only wish i had the whole article to view, but what Graygleam posted is plenty to work with.
First of all, how does Save-a-lot target the disadvantaged? Frankly, aren't we all disadvantaged monetarily? Especially with everyone's friend "the Oil Company (that really cares about kendallville, btw)." By using a gross misstatement such as this, she really opens herself to a lot of ridicule.

The real sticking point for me, though, is how she asserts that (ok, I'll say it...) poor people shouldn't be allowed to make decisions. If thats the case, I will retract an earlier statement, because at that point those people become disadvantaged. I mean, this is her 2nd term now? It is probable that a lot of these poor, disadvantaged people voted her in... should they have been allowed to make that decision? Isn't she asserting that economic situation alone determines one's ability to make basic everyday decisions, let alone something like an election.

As a matter of fact, I think we should, maybe even on this very thread, determine legislation to decide at what point low to moderate income actually applies, and thus lose your ability to be a responsible, productive citizen.
And of course, the kicker... the tired old line about 'trying to save the city.'
from what?

hard decision making? Gimmie a break. Getting out bed was a hardest decision i made today.

Alcohol abuse? Again, gimme a friggin' break!!! what was it, 29 liquor licences in Kendallville? not to mention the myriad of other k-ville sized and smaller towns that all sell booze. Does no one remember their history lessons? People drink, we have since we've had mouths, get over it. And besides what is more un-American than telling a buisness what they can or can't sell, and who they can or can't sell it to, for whatever price... mmmm, capitalism ftw.

Oh, and before the flames about this post come, i get it, i exaggerated. I did read the rest of the thread before posting. I don't care if there is a liquor store for every boy and girl from sea to shining sea, that has nothing to do with this. The mayor said poor people don't deserve a choice, think about that. What direction are we really headed in, when the people we have elected decide not only what directions we are taking, but what decisions we are making. Maybe she also assumes that because some of us are poor, that we can't afford logic or reason, either... Maybe she should look for a different job.

ok, now you guys can hate on me, I'm, sure this will make someone mad, but lets face it, we a re arguing on the internet... :ciao:

[LuciusBeebe]

The main point that I've taken from all this is Mayor Handshoe only thinks booze is bad if the person drinking it is poor.

[Concerned citizen]

I am poor. I don't know about disadvantaged. I do not shop at Save-A-Lot. I am the sheep in lambs clothing buying my groceries at Scott's and my liquor at The House of Spirits! :beerglass: I am glad I have.... Mayor Handshoe may have noticed I was poor otherwise.

I an honestly say the cost of alcohol has ever been a determining factor of whether I was going to purchase it or not. I can also say, having the alcohol displayed in such a fancy manner with all their sales signs at Scott's has never led me to not buy food with the money I intended to buy food with and choose alcohol instead.

This is a classic example of someone saying something that was STUPID. She can't possible believe only poor people who shop at Save-A-Lot are the only citizens who choose between groceries and alcohol. However, I can assure you as a poor Kendallville citizen, I have choosen to buy gas to get to work over food for my family's table. :beer:

[james_t]

I am poor. I don't know about disadvantaged. I do not shop at Save-A-Lot.

We do, if it's not produce and it's stuff we know we can get cheaper than at Wally World or Scott's.

I don't think we're disadvantaged. I'm just frugal/cheap.

[LuciusBeebe]

We don't have one, so its a wonder I ever manage to get any booze at all.

[james_t]

We don't have one, so its a wonder I ever manage to get any booze at all.

Save-A-Lot is roughly the equivalent of an Aldi, which you do have, though given the choice, I'd much rather shop at an Aldi. The Aldis I shopped at, at least in the Chicago area, seemed a bit better kept up than the Save-A-Lots I've been in.

[ebbieday]

Save-A-Lot is roughly the equivalent of an Aldi, which you do have, though given the choice, I'd much rather shop at an Aldi. The Aldis I shopped at, at least in the Chicago area, seemed a bit better kept up than the Save-A-Lots I've been in.

We shop at Aldi too. I agree that the cleanliness of Aldi is better than the Save-A-Lots I have been in, but I would still shop there when need be, we just go to Columbia City much more often. The one in Kendallville is on my way home from work so if I need something last minute, I run in and run out. Might have to check out those alcohol prices too once they're fully stocked. Anybody know when that will be? :)

[LuciusBeebe]

Save-A-Lot is roughly the equivalent of an Aldi, which you do have, though given the choice, I'd much rather shop at an Aldi. The Aldis I shopped at, at least in the Chicago area, seemed a bit better kept up than the Save-A-Lots I've been in.



Do they have mysterious neon pink meat like Walmart?

[ebbieday]

Do they have mysterious neon pink meat like Walmart?

LOL...I will NOT buy meat at Wal Mart. I only buy meat at Busco IGA, Albrights in Corunna or Big Blue Market in Kendallville.

[james_t]

Do they have mysterious neon pink meat like Walmart?

I haven't had too much bad experience with Walmart meat, but we mainly get the seafood packages or rolls of ground turkey there.

We also get the ground turkey at Save-A-Lot. I don't think we've ventured into too much fresh meat there.

[LuciusBeebe]

Their "steaks" have a flourescent pink glow that shines differently depending on what angle it is held to the light. Their roasts are eerily similar. The pork chops are equally mysterious.

Can't say Meijer is any better. Its Hargers for me.

[Concerned citizen]

I prefer Blue's Market and Albrights as well!

[james_t]

I'd definitely say I prefer Albright's for meat, but sometimes it's more convenient not to make the hop to Corunna.

I haven't been to South Side, since I've both rented and lived to the north of Kendallville.

[sturmtiger]

The State has set criteria for granting licenses. The reason that it is not left up to the local government to decide is because there is to much chance for favortism. You cannot allow local governments to vote on such items unless there are set criteria that are black and white. How many times have we seen rules bent or broken for friends in our community. Keep the decisions where they belong in cases such as these at the state level.

[hairypumper]

Their "steaks" have a flourescent pink glow that shines differently depending on what angle it is held to the light. Their roasts are eerily similar. The pork chops are equally mysterious.

Can't say Meijer is any better. Its Hargers for me.

I grow my own. It's not any cheaper, but I know what's in it.( Or more importantly, what's not in it. )

[flatbird1]

I grow my own. It's not any cheaper, but I know what's in it.( Or more importantly, what's not in it. )

hairypumper, do you butcher it yourself, or have a meat processor do it?

[LuciusBeebe]

The State has set criteria for granting licenses. The reason that it is not left up to the local government to decide is because there is to much chance for favortism. You cannot allow local governments to vote on such items unless there are set criteria that are black and white. How many times have we seen rules bent or broken for friends in our community. Keep the decisions where they belong in cases such as these at the state level.

And how does the state know what's good for the town?

I agree that some decisions are not to be left to the small town, but liquor licenses hardly fall under that heading. I guess I just don't see the danger in allowing more businesses to sell beer. Are that many people basing their consumption of alcohol on its availability?

[matt_s]

And how does the state know what's good for the town?
Let me preface this with a disclaimer: I've only lived in Indiana for about 8 years.

That being said. I have lived in Bloomington, Mooresville (suburban Indy), and now reside in Auburn. Over the 8+ years I have formed the opinions that the government of this state is very Indy-centricI'm not saying that is necessarily bad for the state, but I don't think it is necessarily good for other parts of the state.

There are times when statewide standards apply or where benefits opportunities can be gained through economies of scale. But, all of these benefits come at a cost in terms of local control.

[james_t]

I agree that some decisions are not to be left to the small town, but liquor licenses hardly fall under that heading. I guess I just don't see the danger in allowing more businesses to sell beer. Are that many people basing their consumption of alcohol on its availability?

Having come from the Chicago area, where (at least in the city) political patronage is alive and well, I can see some basis for not having such things controlled at the local level. I guess in theory if the local liquor licenses seem to all go to cousins of the local council those denied licenses could then appeal to a county or state board. And at local level I guess the people could vote the bums out, although that never seems to happen in Chicago.

[TheBigB]

And how does the state know what's good for the town?

I agree that some decisions are not to be left to the small town, but liquor licenses hardly fall under that heading. I guess I just don't see the danger in allowing more businesses to sell beer. Are that many people basing their consumption of alcohol on its availability?

While we are attacking local liquor laws, why not attack a state one that is more stupid than any cap on licenses? Can anybody - ANYBODY - explain to me the logic of the Sunday "blue" laws?

[LuciusBeebe]

Can't have the locals off drinking when they should be filling up the pews. Only way to keep those rubes under control, don'tcha know.

[TheBigB]

Can't have the locals off drinking when they should be filling up the pews. Only way to keep those rubes under control, don'tcha know.

What about the locals that drive over to Ohio (or up to Michigan) on Sundays, halfway drunk, because they underestimated the amount of beer they needed for their little shindig? If the Edon Country Store still exists (I bet their business took a major hit after Ohio moved up to the 21 drinking age with Indiana), I bet their beer biggest sales day is Sunday. :elefant:

[LuciusBeebe]

What about the locals that drive over to Ohio (or up to Michigan) on Sundays, halfway drunk, because they underestimated the amount of beer they needed for their little shindig?

I dunno, what about 'em?

[hairypumper]

hairypumper, do you butcher it yourself, or have a meat processor do it?

I take them to a small family butcher shop. You have to be really careful who you trust your meat to. Some places work on a formula basis. They weigh the carcass and determine how much of what you should get. You don't know where your meat came from, or went to.

[darkangel7878]

Back to the liquor licences issue....

What about the gas stations that sell beer? Why not sell to the drunk drivers as they fill up their tanks to head to the next bar? I personally think that selling beer at gas stations is completely stupid. And yet if you go out to Gas America right now you see that they too are applying for a licence. What is the deal?

Next thing you know we will be like Ohio where you can just drive thru the gas station and have them load it right into your car. Well then there is no chance for the drunk to fall out of the car. Now that's what I call service.

[hairypumper]

Back to the liquor licences issue....

What about the gas stations that sell beer? Why not sell to the drunk drivers as they fill up their tanks to head to the next bar? I personally think that selling beer at gas stations is completely stupid. And yet if you go out to Gas America right now you see that they too are applying for a licence. What is the deal?

Next thing you know we will be like Ohio where you can just drive thru the gas station and have them load it right into your car. Well then there is no chance for the drunk to fall out of the car. Now that's what I call service.

They've had drive thru Beer Barns in Texas for over 30 years. How do you feel about Sunday sales?

[cynicalfoe]

They've had drive thru Beer Barns in Texas for over 30 years. How do you feel about Sunday sales?

Sunday sales should be allowed. Any retail store should be able to sell alcohol. Just because you go to a gas station to fill up and buy a six pack of whatever does not mean you are drunk. You still have to drive to a liquor store to pick it up. The availability is not going to make me drink any more or less.

[hairypumper]

Sunday sales should definitely be allowed. This has been unconstitutional since it started.

I heard the legislature was going to consider it sometime soon.

[Miss Scarlet]

Not only should businesses sell liquor on Sunday, but it should be allowed on Election Day as well! I agree with Cynical, availability isn't going to affect whether or not I consume. :beer:

[darkangel7878]

Sunday sales are funny to me. Considering as long as they sell food you can still go to the bar and have a beer on Sunday, so why not be able to pick up a six pack while you are there.

I can kinda understand about election day. They want people to be in a sober state of mind when they make a choice on who runs the country.

[bigbass]

Sunday sales are funny to me. Considering as long as they sell food you can still go to the bar and have a beer on Sunday, so why not be able to pick up a six pack while you are there.

I can kinda understand about election day. They want people to be in a sober state of mind when they make a choice on who runs the country.

Anymore, you've gotta be hammered just to stomach voting.

[Miss Scarlet]

Anymore, you've gotta be hammered just to stomach voting.

I'm with you on that! The choices over the last few elections have left much to be desired! :beer: Seriously though, I don't know that people will consume more on Election Day than any other day when they need to make important decisions.

[darkangel7878]

I think some of us have to be drunk to make a decision when it comes to elections. Then it just becomes a matter of who to pick and not really caring about the issues. I mean after all the government is gonna put who they want into offices. They have us vote just to say that we have the say in who officials are.