Palin knocks it out of the park

[troublesome one]

Good speech, great delivery.

Brian Willams had to keep his mouth shut since Brokaw said he liked it.

(Greek columns! We don't need no stinkin' Greek columns!)

[jims]

You mean the same columns that were present in New York four years ago?

[HomeyG]

Good speech, great delivery.

Brian Willams had to keep his mouth shut since Brokaw said he liked it.

(Greek columns! We don't need no stinkin' Greek columns!)

She rocked the house. I was looking forward to the McCain/Obama debates, but I think the Palin/Biden debates are going to be much more interesting. Especially when Senator Biden says: "She didn't say anything about the middle-class." Sorry to burst your bubble Senator, but Sarah Palin is the middle-class. She's not part of the Washington establishment, she's not an elitest. Some say she has no experience, yet she has made more executive decisions then Obama and Biden combined. Neither Obama or Biden has been a governor, nor even run their own business. One was a community organizer and the other a career politican or both happen to be lawyers. One couldn't decide on a "yes" or "no" vote on 131 separate occasions, so he voted "present". As President, I don't think he can vote "present". Incidently, Senator Obama is going to be on the O'Reilly Factor tonight. We'll see how he handles himself without "softball" questions.

[Copycatted]

Only:questionmark: because Bat Masterson was in on the speech writing...

[Blazer81]

Anyone can read a prepared speech....lets see how see answers questions on her own. :elefant:

[HomeyG]

Anyone can read a prepared speech....lets see how see answers questions on her own. :elefant:

Your right about that and Obama is the proof. How many times have we seen him studder because he drifted away from his prepared speech. We will have a better idea tonight when Obama appears on the O'Reilly Factor. He will have to speak off the cuff, not from a canned speech. In Palin's defense, its been reported that they had problems with the prompter and she had to adlib. If this is true, then she is a remarkable speaker and will be a formidable candidate.

[denali]

First let me say that I lived in Alaska for 17 years, I do not know Sarah Palin but I know her stock. When friends expressed their doubts about how she was going to perform last night-I said don't write her off. Why I said that-she took on Ted Stevens, Tony Knowles, Don Young and Frank Murkowski and they are gone from Alaska politics or soon will be. My exact words-she has brass b_lls.

The nay sayers are now saying, wait until she gets with Joe Biden in the Vice Presidential debate-I say Joe better brush up on foreign policy.

Sarah Palin is John McCain's answer to his prayers and even has a special needs child that she put on display last night. When CNN was interviewing her sister and it was stated that her sister even has a special needs child, I thought oh man, Sarah Palin the gift that keeps on giving. Son going to Iraq, unwed pregnant daughter, macho husband who is an Iron Dog champion, union member, commercial fisherman, north slope worker. I could go on and on and on.

How I wish that I could like that strong woman but she stands for nothing that I stand for. She thinks that it is okay to hunt wolves with airplanes, running them to exhaustion and then blowing them away. She thinks that it is okay to drill in ANWR by the way she only wants the money for the state, be ****** what it does to the Arctic. She thinks that global warming is not man-made and on and on and on.

I thought I remembered when this process was started so long ago now we were promised by both parties that they would reach across party lines and work together in hopes of possibly getting something done. What happened to that?

Sarah Palin I wish that I could have liked what you said in your speech last night-you reminded me of the arrogant George W. Bush-"bring em on" speech.

[jims]

Per Jonathan Martin at Politico:
"Sarah Palin delivered a powerful speech last night, but she did not "wing it."

That is what Erick Erickson, citing sources close to McCain, has written on his blog, RedState.

Erickson writes that "the teleprompter continued scrolling during applause breaks. As a result, half way through the speech, the speech had scrolled significantly from where Governor Palin was in the speech."

This claim has been picked up on Drudge and could quickly enter into the insta-mythmaking about a speech that need not be embroidered.

Perhaps there were moments where it scrolled slightly past her exact point in the speech. But I was sitting in the press section next to the stage, within easy eyeshot of the teleprompter. I frequently looked up at the machine, and there was no serious malfunction. A top convention-planner confirms this morning that there were no major problems."

[Peaches]

I just can't get past her comment:
"Well, just what does the vice president do, anyway?"

According to her credentials, she sounds like she's capable of pulling it off, but why would McCain choose her AFTER that comment? The media is really dwelling on that..........:hmmmm:

[LuciusBeebe]

This country is ridiculous.

This lady is announced over the weekend, and the nation collectively says, "who?!"

Then she reads a speech on Wednesday and everybody faints.

Seriously, folks.

Also, enough with the "executive experience" B.S.

Every time they say this they are shooting themselves in the foot, logically. If being a governor is such awesome experience, then shouldn't she be the Presidential candidate, instead of the Vice Presidential candidate?

Let's go one more step. If she's better than Obama because she has "executive experience", then Jessie Ventura is better than McCain.

Seriously, "executive experience"? She convinces a bunch of Alaskans to vote for her, and this qualifies her for the White House? What a bunch of horse manure.

Has this country lost its mind?



First let me say that I lived in Alaska for 17 years, I do not know Sarah Palin but I know her stock. When friends expressed their doubts about how she was going to perform last night-I said don't write her off. Why I said that-she took on Ted Stevens, Tony Knowles, Don Young and Frank Murkowski and they are gone from Alaska politics or soon will be. My exact words-she has brass b_lls.

The nay sayers are now saying, wait until she gets with Joe Biden in the Vice Presidential debate-I say Joe better brush up on foreign policy.

Hilarious. The lady that hasn't even served a full term as the governor of Alaska is going to beat the guy that the President of Pakistan calls when there is a problem in a debate on foreign policy.

But hey! At least she's really good at Alaskan politics!

Palin needs to study foreign policy. Biden has lived it. He doesn't need to think about the answer. He knows the answer.


Here's Biden. Got anything from Palin? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuOkXgZqofA)

[HomeyG]

This country is ridiculous.

This lady is announced over the weekend, and the nation collectively says, "who?!"

Then she reads a speech on Wednesday and everybody faints.

Seriously, folks.

Also, enough with the "executive experience" B.S.

Every time they say this they are shooting themselves in the foot, logically. If being a governor is such awesome experience, then shouldn't she be the Presidential candidate, instead of the Vice Presidential candidate?

Let's go one more step. If she's better than Obama because she has "executive experience", then Jessie Ventura is better than McCain.

Seriously, "executive experience"? She convinces a bunch of Alaskans to vote for her, and this qualifies her for the White House? What a bunch of horse manure.

Has this country lost its mind?




Hilarious. The lady that hasn't even served a full term as the governor of Alaska is going to beat the guy that the President of Pakistan calls when there is a problem in a debate on foreign policy.

But hey! At least she's really good at Alaskan politics!

Palin needs to study foreign policy. Biden has lived it. He doesn't need to think about the answer. He knows the answer.


Here's Biden. Got anything from Palin? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuOkXgZqofA)

If Biden is such a hotshot, why isn't he the presidental nominee? Evidently the rest of the Democrats doesn't know as much as you do. Why are the democrats doing their damnest to get her off the ticket? Maybe because they are afraid of her.

[denali]

I just can't get past her comment:
"Well, just what does the vice president do, anyway?"

According to her credentials, she sounds like she's capable of pulling it off, but why would McCain choose her AFTER that comment? The media is really dwelling on that..........:hmmmm:

Here is the quote that I found-

Palin: “As for that VP talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day? I’m used to being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we’re trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even start addressing that question.”

Looking back on it this may not have been the best answer for her but this answer shouldn't be her downfall in my mind. There are much bigger issues that are troubling rather than this answer.

[LuciusBeebe]

If Biden is such a hotshot, why isn't he the presidental nominee?

Because he lost the primary.

At least he was in the primary. At least we heard of him a year ago. 5 years ago. 10 years ago. Et cetera. Palin was mayor of a town smaller than Auburn a year and a half ago. Good choice for an experience debate.



Why are the democrats doing their damnest to get her off the ticket?

What in the world are you talking about?




Looking back on it this may not have been the best answer for her but this answer shouldn't be her downfall in my mind. There are much bigger issues that are troubling rather than this answer.

Look, I don't think anything in her speech should be her downfall or something that makes her career. It was a rehearsed speech.

I'm sick of talking about these PEOPLE instead of their IDEAS.

[denali]

Palin needs to study foreign policy. Biden has lived it. He doesn't need to think about the answer. He knows the answer.


Biden would have been my pick for President so I know his talents.

I should have said that Palin will hold her own in the Vice Presidential debate-Bush advisors are working with her 24/7 to make sure that happens and mark my words she will pull it off.

[HomeyG]

Because he lost the primary.

At least he was in the primary. At least we heard of him a year ago. 5 years ago. 10 years ago. Et cetera. Palin was mayor of a town smaller than Auburn a year and a half ago. Good choice for an experience debate.




What in the world are you talking about?




Look, I don't think anything in her speech should be her downfall or something that makes her career. It was a rehearsed speech.

I'm sick of talking about these PEOPLE instead of their IDEAS.

Color me stupid but aren't all speeches rehearsed. Why did Biden lose the primary? He came in what, third at best. Even your own party thinks he's not the best qualified candidate.

[denali]

Look, I don't think anything in her speech should be her downfall or something that makes her career. It was a rehearsed speech.

I'm sick of talking about these PEOPLE instead of their IDEAS.

That quote was not in her speech it was her reply several weeks ago when someone asked her about the VP position.

You are singing to the choir, I will not even think of voting for McCain/Palin-Palin makes the ticket even more outlandish for me. AND it is not because of the PEOPLE it is because of their IDEAS.
NO to aerial hunting, no to not caring about the polar bears, no to drilling in ANWR, no to no sex education in schools, no to the Iraq war or any other irresponsible war or oil war, no to 4 more years of Bush politics, no to political gridlock-and no to a whole bunch of other things they stand for. NO, NO, NO.

This is just the exact same madness of the last 8 years and it is in the exact same packaging.

[HomeyG]

That quote was not in her speech it was her reply several weeks ago when someone asked her about the VP position.

You are singing to the choir, I will not even think of voting for McCain/Palin-Palin makes the ticket even more outlandish for me. AND it is not because of the PEOPLE it is because of their IDEAS.
NO to aerial hunting, no to not caring about the polar bears, no to drilling in ANWR, no to no sex education in schools, no to the Iraq war or any other irresponsible war or oil war, no to 4 more years of Bush politics, no to political gridlock-and no to a whole bunch of other things they stand for. NO, NO, NO.

This is just the exact same madness of the last 8 years and it is in the exact same packaging.

I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and say that me thinks you hate Bush. I'm voting for the McCain/Palin ticket because I think they should drill for oil, sex education should be taught in the home, continue the war because victory is within sight and yes to a whole bunch of other things they stand for. YES, YES, YES

[LuciusBeebe]

Color me stupid but aren't all speeches rehearsed.

Yes. That's why I don't watch or pay attention to speeches. Be it democrat or republican. Speeches don't impress me, for talk is cheap.



Why did Biden lose the primary?

Because the media was infatuated with Hillary and Barack. Same reason Paul lost the nomination to McCain. Ron Paul is more Republican than most of the front-runners in their primary. But he got no press and so nobody knew him as well as he deserved. If Ron Paul was pegged as the Veep, I'd have a tough decision in November. But this no-name from Alaska was picked, so the choice is easy.


I'm voting for the McCain/Palin ticket because I think they should drill for oil, sex education should be taught in the home, continue the war because victory is within sight and yes to a whole bunch of other things they stand for. YES, YES, YES

hahahhahaha!

[Jethro Gibbs]

Sarah Palin is John McCain's answer to his prayers and even has a special needs child that she put on display last night. When CNN was interviewing her sister and it was stated that her sister even has a special needs child, I thought oh man, Sarah Palin the gift that keeps on giving. Son going to Iraq, unwed pregnant daughter, macho husband who is an Iron Dog champion, union member, commercial fisherman, north slope worker. I could go on and on and on.

The only thing that would've made her better is if her house was getting foreclosed!

[evilkumquat]

Sarah Palin is John McCain's answer to his prayers and even has a special needs child that she put on display last night. When CNN was interviewing her sister and it was stated that her sister even has a special needs child, I thought oh man, Sarah Palin the gift that keeps on giving.

Good point.

Is the candidate's family fair game when the children are being used as a prop?

[evilkumquat]

I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and say that me thinks you hate Bush. I'm voting for the McCain/Palin ticket because I think they should drill for oil, sex education should be taught in the home, continue the war because victory is within sight and yes to a whole bunch of other things they stand for. YES, YES, YES

I think we've found Paul Oakes' online presence, except that there was nothing in that paragraph blaming Clinton for our current problems.

[denali]

The only thing that would've made her better is if her house was getting foreclosed!

OMGosh you are right, that might come next week.

BUT should we remember that she lives in the Gov. mansion in the great town of Juneau Alaska. That the great citizens of Alaska voted twice to have the capital moved to make it more accessible to the public. The lawmakers all owned property in Juneau so they did not want to move it to devalue their property and besides that they may have to be more accountable if they were closer to the people. SO they voted one more time and when it was no they decided they would stop there, third time in a charm.

[evilkumquat]

As usual, the Daily Show puts all the "real" media *******s to shame.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8uGenNjOAI

[edeevee]

Why are the democrats doing their damnest to get her off the ticket? Maybe because they are afraid of her.

I'm starting to think maybe I AM afraid of her.

At first she seemed smart, spunky, a little rough around the edges, sure, a little light on experience -- yes, definitely. But probably well suited for governor of Alaska and not deserving of the poo-storm that rained all over her family.

Since then so many things about Palin have come to light:

Her "tweaks" of the truth about the bridge to nowhere and that pipeline that hasn't actually been started yet

Her habit of firing people who don't support her 100%

Her lawyer's end run around the legislature in trying to get a board (appointed by Palin) to investigate her possible abuse of power instead of a committee of lawmakers

Her not-quite-so genuine status as reformer and fighter against political pork

It all start giving me that queasy feeling. But this thing about banning books:
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/2008/view.bg?&articleid=1117009&format=&page=2&listingType=2008pres#articleFull

Surely even the most conservative among you can agree that this is a dangerous person?

[denali]

The clip of the Daily show says it all. I loved it.

[james_t]

It all start giving me that queasy feeling. But this thing about banning books:
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/2008/view.bg?&articleid=1117009&format=&page=2&listingType=2008pres#articleFull

Surely even the most conservative among you can agree that this is a dangerous person?

The link actually goes to the second half of the article. It begins here:

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/2008/view.bg?&articleid=1117009&format=&page=1&listingType=2008pres#articleFull

It seems a little bit hearsayish/murky to me, but I would like to hear a bit more about it.

[troublesome one]

Unfortunately, the most qualified people do not get nominated. You can blame money, process, media, inside party politics, etc.

Go back to the 1996 Republican primary the best qualified person in the field was Sen. Richard Lugar.

1. Rhodes Scholar
2. Mayor of Indy
3. Invented UniGov
3. Foreign policy expert
4. Election monitor in Phillipines & Panama
5. Co-authored Lugar-Nunn nuke reduction treaty
6. Well versed in Ag issues
7. Respected on both sides of the aisle

[Copycatted]

Because he lost the primary.

At least he was in the primary. At least we heard of him a year ago. 5 years ago. 10 years ago. Et cetera. Palin was mayor of a town smaller than Auburn a year and a half ago. Good choice for an experience debate.




What in the world are you talking about?




Look, I don't think anything in her speech should be her downfall or something that makes her career. It was a rehearsed speech.

I'm sick of talking about these PEOPLE instead of their IDEAS.


But can she walk into that Office with her own weapon drawed as the other two Cowboys and wannabe Cowboys are leaving that Office with all their weapons drawed? (wannbe Cowboys including Rove,Secretary of State and even former D.O.D. Secretary Dumbsfeld and any others etc. etc. etc.)

If msnbc address didn't work is the story about the V.P. visit to the Georgian Nation
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26558318/

[edeevee]

It seems a little bit hearsayish/murky to me, but I would like to hear a bit more about it.

Thanks for fixing the link, James. As for the story, some of the blog reports across the internet seemed pretty sketchy -- especially the ones that listed the books Palin wanted banned as the same books on the ALA's list of most challenged. But, though no books were actually banned in Wasilla, the rest of the story seems to be true:

http://www.schoollibraryjournal.com/article/CA6593199.html?desc=topstory

In a week of disturbing revelations about this woman, this one troubles me the most.

[LuciusBeebe]

This pretty much covers my feelings on it. (http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086&title=sarah-palin-gender-card)

[denali]

This pretty much covers my feelings on it. (http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086&title=sarah-palin-gender-card)

That did not link to anything when I tried to pull that up. Is something wrong with the link or is it just me?

[james_t]

That did not link to anything when I tried to pull that up. Is something wrong with the link or is it just me?

It worked OK for me.

[LuciusBeebe]

I'm thinkin' the Dems need to point out that Palin's going to be a grandma.



Hard to put a grandma in charge of the country.

[HomeyG]

I'm thinkin' the Dems need to point out that Palin's going to be a grandma.



Hard to put a grandma in charge of the country.

First I was going to say, LB usually your comments makes sense, I don't always agree, but they still make sense. But boy, have you scraped the bottom of the barrel this time to find your comments. Then the more I thought about it, I say yes Dems, go for it. Tell them that a woman can't l lead and raise a family at the same time. Hell, they do that all the time just being a wife, mother, soon to be grandmother, and still have a career. If she can't be a mother, grandmother and vice president, how can Obama be the president and a father at the same time. Unless your telling me it's the woman's job to raise the family and not the fathers. LB I think you really stuck your foot in your mouth this time.

[LuciusBeebe]

You missed the point, Homey. I was making no inference about her ability to do the job, or any statement about her family.

The point I was making is that when you think about a grandma, what comes to mind? The lady that makes you cookies, or the person in charge of the nukes?

Way to overreact, though.



On the topic of raising a family, my wife said that as a mother she doesn't understand how Palin could raise her 5 kids and do the job required of her. She has an infant the same age as ours, so my wife wonders what kind of a person she is, that she's clearly choosing her career over her kids. I know that's a personal choice and all that hullaballoo, I'm just giving you the perspective of a voting mother.

[troublesome one]

LB is hilarious. Nancy Pelosi has, what, 5 or 6 kids & she's a grandmother. He just debunked the Dems message of the last 30 years for women: No matter your family situation, you can have it all. As a matter of fact, put your career first because you owe it to yourself, sister. Besides, you don't have to rely on any old repressive man for your fulfillment.

The epitome had to be Hillary Clinton's disparaging comment about stay-at-home moms during the 1992 campaign.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

[LuciusBeebe]

LB is hilarious. Nancy Pelosi has, what, 5 or 6 kids & she's a grandmother. He just debunked the Dems message of the last 30 years for women

Stop putting words into my mouth.

I'm not saying one **** thing about what women should do.

[denali]

What prominent Democrat questioned if Sarah Palin could be Vice President and a Mother at the same time? Unless I missed something I did not see the "Dems" saying this, I see the media saying this. Even if one Democrat said this it does not mean that the "Dems" think this.

I heard that Todd Palin said that he quit his job on the North Slope (Oil production term) and took a union job so he could be "Mr. Mom".

I don't think that it is any of our business if she can be a mother and a Vice President at the same time. Our question should be is she qualified to be a Vice President and do we agree with her policies and is she what she says she is.

I would love to see a woman in that office or as the President but she should not be elected just because she is a woman.

Sarah Palin's policies are so far removed from what I want in a leader for this country. It's too bad because I would really like to vote for a woman for that office but not this one.

[jims]

The only media members who have actually questioned Palin as mother are Sally Quinn and noted liberal Laura Schlesinger.

[LuciusBeebe]

Some interesting food for thought. (http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09/05/alaskans-speak-in-a-frightened-whisper-palin-is-%E2%80%9Cracist-sexist-vindictive-and-mean%E2%80%9D/)

[HomeyG]

Some interesting food for thought. (http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09/05/alaskans-speak-in-a-frightened-whisper-palin-is-%E2%80%9Cracist-sexist-vindictive-and-mean%E2%80%9D/)

Wonder if this really happened or just someone's creative imagination. LA Progressive, now that's an impartial news source. That's why I try to avoid using Rush, Hannity, Savage, or Glenn Beck as a reference.

[denali]

Wonder if this really happened or just someone's creative imagination. LA Progressive, now that's an impartial news source. That's why I try to avoid using Rush, Hannity, Savage, or Glenn Beck as a reference.


I am not sure that he was using this as a reference, he just stated some food for thought.

[evilkumquat]

Palin's "Community Organizer" Mockery:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJGCnk_wDMA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_oZVe3P1RU

[denali]

Hey Evil, thanks for sharing those You Tube videos, says it all. Sure makes old Rudy and Sarah look pretty silly. Shame, shame, shame.

[hairypumper]

Hey Evil, thanks for sharing those You Tube videos, says it all. Sure makes old Rudy and Sarah look pretty silly. Shame, shame, shame.

Depends on how you look at it. The people the girl talked about, although of great historical significance, were driven by a single goal. Like tunnel vision. Do you want a leader who is focused on only one thing, or someone who deals with all parts of the job? By the way, I think the Organizer comments were about as low as they could go at the time. Don't worry, both sides will stoop lower before it's all over.

[HoosierHelen]

I believe the lady does have her priorities "right on" in this aforementioned video! Community Organizers are NOT resources in our great country to be minimalized. No..Palin did NOT knock it out of the park. She dropped it FAR SHORT from my opinion. Happy to hear she has big guns from the air that can drop large animals. WHOOPIE!!

That qualifies her to be President of this great USA?

[HoosierHelen]

Let's don't give her a pass because she's basically just an Alaskan hockey mom who likes to eat mooseburgers (obviously qualified to lead the nation).

Take her lipstick off and see what the substance is beneath. She is a "token woman" for the Republican Party.

[denali]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr183lk-wQk

Sarah Palin is a supporter of aerial hunting of wolves in Alaska. I don't know about you but this makes it hard for me to sleep at night.

[HomeyG]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr183lk-wQk

Sarah Palin is a supporter of aerial hunting of wolves in Alaska. I don't know about you but this makes it hard for me to sleep at night.

Does anyone know if this is done for sport, or the thinning out of the wolf population?

[denali]

The question was posed as to if aerial hunting is done for sport or for thinning the population------

HomeyG----Would that make a difference in how you feel about what you saw?

[HomeyG]

The question was posed as to if aerial hunting is done for sport or for thinning the population------

HomeyG----Would that make a difference in how you feel about what you saw?

Possibly. If the purpose is to thin out the population and there were no other means, this could possibly stop starvation, which would be a lot worse.
If its done for just the "thrill of the kill" then I'm against it. Maybe you can answer my other curiousity. Was this an actual video of an aerial hunter, or a staged kill by an animals rights organization?

[denali]

Possibly. If the purpose is to thin out the population and there were no other means, this could possibly stop starvation, which would be a lot worse.
If its done for just the "thrill of the kill" then I'm against it. Maybe you can answer my other curiousity. Was this an actual video of an aerial hunter, or a staged kill by an animals rights organization?

Starvation, if that is a consideration, is survival of the fittest, Mother Nature. I disagree big time that it is worse than being ran to exhaustion and riddled with buck shot and hunted down in this way.

A wildlife group is sponsoring this video. I can't imagine that they would "kill" for a prop but I also can't imagine a "hunter" agreeing to film their dirty deed. So I am sorry but I really can't answer your question but if I do find out I will get back to you.

[HomeyG]

Starvation, if that is a consideration, is survival of the fittest, Mother Nature. I disagree big time that it is worse than being ran to exhaustion and riddled with buck shot and hunted down in this way.

A wildlife group is sponsoring this video. I can't imagine that they would "kill" for a prop but I also can't imagine a "hunter" agreeing to film their dirty deed. So I am sorry but I really can't answer your question but if I do find out I will get back to you.

So what you are saying if the wolves wipes out the carribou population that's find with you. You may want to rethink your position on starvation. It could days or even weeks of suffering before the animal dies. They die a little bit each day.

I think this was a staged video. As you said I can't imagine a hunter agreeing to film, nor that someone just happen to have a camera. What's strange is that the plane shown shooting the wolf was yellow and white in color. The plane with the wolf hanging from it's wing is blue and white. As my dad would say "I smell a rat in the woodpile." Makes me wonder.

[denali]

I lived in Alaska for 17 years. It is my opinion that the reason why they are aerial hunting the wolves is so they can increase the size of the elk, caribou, moose herds (if herds is correct). Trophy hunting, which is in my opinion a repulsive macho glory of hanging a head on a wall, is huge, huge money for the State of Alaska.

Like I said, I can not explain how the video was taken. The difference in the colors of the planes may very well mean that they were filming actual aerial shootings; I would not say that was "a rat in the woodpile".

Aerial hunting goes on in Alaska; no one disputes that so I don't think that the validity of a film is even an issue. I venture to say that most people find this despicable.

This goes far beyond the aerial hunting issue in Alaska. The Alaska Fish and Game are being accused of illegally killing wolf pups in their dens and a whole host of other charges of misrepresenting population numbers, etc.

Palin and the likes sell nature to the highest bidder.

[HoosierHelen]

aerial hunting of wildlife is repulsive unless a human life is in danger in my viewpoint. I'm disappointed in the macho attitude of many of our fellow Hoosiers & Humans. Their understanding of nature and wildlife balance is clouded by political bias. Sorry for them! Sorry also for our Earth Life Balance. The survival of the earth as we know it is at risk from these bullet hungry, macho hungry humans trying to prove that we are superior to their fellow wildlife that the good Lord above graced us with. IF we are superior...why do you feel threatened to the point of requiring extinction of wildlife from superior air warfare?

Just a question?

[HoosierHelen]

I lived in Alaska for 17 years. It is my opinion that the reason why they are aerial hunting the wolves is so they can increase the size of the elk, caribou, moose herds (if herds is correct). Trophy hunting, which is in my opinion a repulsive macho glory of hanging a head on a wall, is huge, huge money for the State of Alaska.

Like I said, I can not explain how the video was taken. The difference in the colors of the planes may very well mean that they were filming actual aerial shootings; I would not say that was "a rat in the woodpile".

Aerial hunting goes on in Alaska; no one disputes that so I don't think that the validity of a film is even an issue. I venture to say that most people find this despicable.

This goes far beyond the aerial hunting issue in Alaska. The Alaska Fish and Game are being accused of illegally killing wolf pups in their dens and a whole host of other charges of misrepresenting population numbers, etc.

Palin and the likes sell nature to the highest bidder.
Previous quote is agreed with so VERY MUCH!!

Palin and the likes sell nature to the highest bidder.

[HomeyG]

Previous quote is agreed with so VERY MUCH!!

Palin and the likes sell nature to the highest bidder.

Whoa guys! Get off your high horse. Didn't say that I approved. I'm not a hunter myself, but I don't necessarily disapproved either. I merely asked the question what was the purpose. Was it a trophy kill or done out of necessity?
Sometimes the means justifiy the end. It actually might be the lesser of two evils. Perhaps the normal trapping/hunting couldn't control the population. I still think it was a staged production. I think they done exactly what they are accusing others of doing. It's much too professionally done just to be happenstance.

[HomeyG]

I did a little more research about wolf hunting in Alaska. It is a matter of survival of the fittest. In the case, the local human population. They rely on the meat from the caribou, deer, sheep, etc for their basic survival. Because the wolves and bears are such efficient and elusive hunters they must control the population and unfortunately aerial hunting is one of the ways they do this. They are not trying to wipe out the wolves or bears, they are only trying to keep it balanced. Let's just say they don't keep it in check. Eventually, the wolves/bears will eliminate their food source and will start attacking members of their own pack and worse yet a human could become their victim.

[denali]

Whoa guys! Get off your high horse. Didn't say that I approved. I'm not a hunter myself, but I don't necessarily disapproved either. I merely asked the question what was the purpose. Was it a trophy kill or done out of necessity?
Sometimes the means justifiy the end. It actually might be the lesser of two evils. Perhaps the normal trapping/hunting couldn't control the population. I still think it was a staged production. I think they done exactly what they are accusing others of doing. It's much too professionally done just to be happenstance.

In my mind, there is no just reason to aerial hunt-just plain wrong no matter what. Nature controls population and it only gets more out of whack when "we" mess with it.

I do not think that Defenders of Wildlife or any other humane group shot a wolf in this manner to make a commercial.

No way, No how, No aerial hunting.

[denali]

Here is the history of wolf control in Alaska as told by the Defenders of Wildlife.

http://www.defenders.org/programs_and_policy/wildlife_conservation/imperiled_species/wolves/wolf_recovery_efforts/alaska_wolves/background/history_of_wolf_control_in_alaska/

The Defenders of Wildlife told me that the footage that we have been discussing is a portion of that documentary that NBC aired in the 1970's that they speak about in that link that I sent.

Here is the Airborne Hunting Act

http://http://www.fws.gov/laws/lawsdigest/AIRBORN.HTML (http://www.fws.gov/laws/lawsdigest/AIRBORN.HTML)

[hairypumper]

Footage from the '70s? I'm sure the "Defenders of Wildlife" would never distort or omit facts. Just like anti-abortionists wouldn't bomb clinics or murder the people who work in them. Like PETA wouldn't commit battery against law abiding people on the street by dousing them with hazardous chemicals. How many Inuits have to die before a wolf can be killed using the most practical means available?

[LuciusBeebe]

Depends on how you look at it. The people the girl talked about, although of great historical significance, were driven by a single goal. Like tunnel vision. Do you want a leader who is focused on only one thing, or someone who deals with all parts of the job?

You know, I've thought the same thing for the past 7 years, while the economy was spiraling the drain and all I heard about was terrorism.


I think its funny that they're making such a big deal about the "executive" experience of a mayor. Likewise with the high approval rating that Palin has with Alaskans.

I find it funny because when I think of a guy with a tremendous amount of "executive" experience as a mayor (of a much larger city) who clearly had the support of his voters, I think of.... Marion Barry.




I'm amazed not so much by what they're trying to sell us, but that so many are buying.

[denali]

Footage from the '70s? I'm sure the "Defenders of Wildlife" would never distort or omit facts. Just like anti-abortionists wouldn't bomb clinics or murder the people who work in them. Like PETA wouldn't commit battery against law abiding people on the street by dousing them with hazardous chemicals. How many Inuits have to die before a wolf can be killed using the most practical means available?

What is your point?

Don't believe the Defenders of Wildlife-believe what you want...

You can worry about the Inuits and I will worry about the wolves, okay?

[denali]

I'm amazed not so much by what they're trying to sell us, but that so many are buying.

Well said, I am amazed also.

But I once heard someone say speaking of Federal Income Taxes, I don't pay taxes, I get money back.

God help us all.

[hairypumper]

What is your point?

Don't believe the Defenders of Wildlife-believe what you want...

You can worry about the Inuits and I will worry about the wolves, okay?

Apparently you got my point. Anyone who puts critters before people has a serious problem in my opinion. Do you think a wolf cares about you? Maybe if it is hungry. Are you a vegetarian, or is it ok to slaughter defenseless creatures as long as it suits your personal desires?

[denali]

Apparently you got my point. Anyone who puts critters before people has a serious problem in my opinion. Do you think a wolf cares about you? Maybe if it is hungry. Are you a vegetarian, or is it ok to slaughter defenseless creatures as long as it suits your personal desires?

Thanks for your opinion. I appreciate the fact that people stand for different issues. What would the world be like if we all worked for the same thing? What makes you think that people that want to protect animals don't care about people?

Yes, Hairy I am a vegetarian and no I don't think that it is okay to slaughter defenseless creatures.

That was the whole point of this thread and what is the real issue here.

I do not think that aerial hunting should be legal no matter what. It is a little about something called "fair chase".

If you think that aerial hunting is kosher-I respect your opinion but I do not agree and I will continue to stand up for my feelings and the wolves.

[hairypumper]

I can accept your position now. Hunting from the air is not sport. It is used for erradication. I believe harassing and killing animals from any moving vehicle is illegal in most if not all states. Had they landed and stalked the wolves would this even be a story? It would be no less tragic, but would it be so dramatic as to suit the purposes of the people who released it at this particular time? And what is the connection to Sarah Palin? Was she the shooter or the pilot? Heck, she was a pre-teen or teenager at the time.

[denali]

I can accept your position now. Hunting from the air is not sport. It is used for erradication. I believe harassing and killing animals from any moving vehicle is illegal in most if not all states. Had they landed and stalked the wolves would this even be a story? It would be no less tragic, but would it be so dramatic as to suit the purposes of the people who released it at this particular time? And what is the connection to Sarah Palin? Was she the shooter or the pilot? Heck, she was a pre-teen or teenager at the time.

hairypumper, this is not a new issue and not just released at this particular time. This is and has been a legal battle and very heated discussion for years, calls for tourists to boycott the State of Alaska, etc. Aerial hunting has been and still is going on in Alaska.

Your question of had they landed and stalked the wolves would this even be a story? Sometimes they stalk the wolves with the planes, run to exhaustion and then land and shoot them which I find repulsive also. Aerial hunting is what is such an outrage here. Ethical hunting with fair chase is a different story for many people.

The following is a quote from Defenders of Wildlife-I quote them a lot because it is the group that I am affiliated with on this issue and others-

"Sarah Palin has supported aerial hunting since taking office despite the fact that the National Academy of Sciences, the National Research Council, the American Society of Mammalogists, and more than 120 other scientists have called for a halt to the program, citing its lack of scientific justification and despite opposition from many hunters who see it as violating the sportsmen's ethic of fair chase. Palin in 2007 even proposed offering a bounty of $150 per wolf, as long as the hunter provided the wolf's foreleg as proof of the kill. And just earlier this year, she introduced legislation to expand the program and derail a scheduled August 2008 citizens' vote on the issue. The bounty was determined to violate the state's constitution and her legislation failed."

[hairypumper]

Any clue about her reasonning or justification? Why would a responsible hunter (as she is said to claim) support this so strongly?

[denali]

Any clue about her reasonning or justification? Why would a responsible hunter (as she is said to claim) support this so strongly?

I suggest that you goggle Palin and wolves, bears, salmon, etc. and make your own assumption.

It is and has been my opinion that Sarah Palin and her likes have no regard to the protection of our environment, our salmon, our bears, our wolves, etc. She has regard to big oil, etc. I really don't want to go there because it really takes us off the subject of aerial hunting if you can see where I am going. Many people agree that aerial hunting is wrong no matter what so discussing whys and what ifs muddy the issue.

[hairypumper]

I suggest that you goggle Palin and wolves, bears, salmon, etc. and make your own assumption.

It is and has been my opinion that Sarah Palin and her likes have no regard to the protection of our environment, our salmon, our bears, our wolves, etc. She has regard to big oil, etc. I really don't want to go there because it really takes us off the subject of aerial hunting if you can see where I am going. Many people agree that aerial hunting is wrong no matter what so discussing whys and what ifs muddy the issue.

Ok, but I believe the original subject of this thread was Palin.

[denali]

Ok, but I believe the original subject of this thread was Palin.

You are correct. But I believe that aerial hunting is very much a part of who Sarah Palin is.

[LuciusBeebe]

I believe harassing and killing animals from any moving vehicle is illegal in most if not all states.

Which is why Dick Cheney got out of the SUV to shoot his friend in the face.

[evilkumquat]

Which is why Dick Cheney got out of the SUV to shoot his friend in the face.

Hey, now! Be fair to Cheney!

After all, his friend publicly apologized for getting his face in the way of Dick's gun!

[hairypumper]

Hey, now! Be fair to Cheney!

After all, his friend publicly apologized for getting his face in the way of Dick's gun!

It's all the doves fault. They're ferocious beasts. Break out the choppers.

[LuciusBeebe]

Palin threatens to declare war on Russia (http://www.americablog.com/2008/09/breaking-from-abc-exclusive-gov-sarah.html)


Can't wait for the debates.


edit:

Also, just heard about this. (http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_10385036)

Fancy that, going to a broker specializing in aircraft sales to sell an aircraft instead of.... ebay. I wonder where selling the taxpayers' airplane on ebay for headlines fits in that whole "executive experience" thing.

[HoosierHelen]

Interesting and disconcerting how quickly she can come to the conclusion to simply open war on Russia. Thanks for the link.

[evilkumquat]

Interesting Timeline:

8/29/08 - Palin is announced as McCain's running mate

To counter criticism that she is too inexperienced to be Vice-President to a 72-year-old man with a history of cancer (i.e., there is a very good chance he could die in office, making her President), many of her supporters claim she has a lot of executive experience, including running the Alaskan National Guard (i.e, the Guard's "Commander-in-Chief").

8/31/08 - Maj. Gen. Craig Campbell, adjutant general of the Alaska National Guard in an interview with the Associated Press said "he and Palin play no role in national defense activities, even when they involve the Alaska National Guard. The entire operation is under federal control, and the governor is not briefed on situations."

9/5/08 - Maj. Gen. Craig Campbell, on Fox News (naturally), changed his mind and said: "National Guards are state military forces run by governors, and Sarah Palin does it great.”

9/8/08 - Sarah Palin promotes Maj. Gen. Craig Campbell to Lieutenant General and gives him a third star.


So, Alaskan Governor Sarah Palin is picked for McCain's running mate and her supporters claim she runs her state's National Guard. One of her National Guard leaders says she doesn't, the Feds do. A few days later, he publicly changes his mind and says Palin really does run things. Three days later, she promotes him.

Interesting...

[hairypumper]

See, she really does run the NG, or at least one member of it.

[Mr Douglas]

I think four or eight more years of the cronie baloney is just what we need right now.:rolleyes:

[LuciusBeebe]

So, Alaskan Governor Sarah Palin is picked for McCain's running mate and her supporters claim she runs her state's National Guard. One of her National Guard leaders says she doesn't, the Feds do. A few days later, he publicly changes his mind and says Palin really does run things. Three days later, she promotes him.

Interesting...

But they're mavericks! They won't be like the last 8 years!

[HoosierHelen]

Interesting Timeline:

8/29/08 - Palin is announced as McCain's running mate

To counter criticism that she is too inexperienced to be Vice-President to a 72-year-old man with a history of cancer (i.e., there is a very good chance he could die in office, making her President), many of her supporters claim she has a lot of executive experience, including running the Alaskan National Guard (i.e, the Guard's "Commander-in-Chief").

8/31/08 - Maj. Gen. Craig Campbell, adjutant general of the Alaska National Guard in an interview with the Associated Press said "he and Palin play no role in national defense activities, even when they involve the Alaska National Guard. The entire operation is under federal control, and the governor is not briefed on situations."

9/5/08 - Maj. Gen. Craig Campbell, on Fox News (naturally), changed his mind and said: "National Guards are state military forces run by governors, and Sarah Palin does it great.”

9/8/08 - Sarah Palin promotes Maj. Gen. Craig Campbell to Lieutenant General and gives him a third star.


So, Alaskan Governor Sarah Palin is picked for McCain's running mate and her supporters claim she runs her state's National Guard. One of her National Guard leaders says she doesn't, the Feds do. A few days later, he publicly changes his mind and says Palin really does run things. Three days later, she promotes him.

Interesting...

And...of course none of us notice any flip flop on these known facts. We continue to blindly believe what our well connected "Wild Card" from Alaska brings to the table is "Fresh Perspectives". And...oh by the way...we must not take the gloves off and call her out on her weak points, because that is "sexist". Give us all a break...we surely aren't this slow upstairs!! ??

Who among us believe China, Russia, Iran, Afganistan, Pakistan, Korea, etc will take their gloves off when dealing with her if...GOD Forbid..she is ever our President? Do we imagine they will admire her unusual ability at shooting wolves multiple times from an airplane in Alaska, as qualifications that require their respect at the negotiotating tables?

Who among us has the most recent release of Grimms Fairy Tales?

[LoneWolf]

The "Compassionate Conservation" policies of Sarah Palin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQobIUE1zTU

[LuciusBeebe]

Yeah... she's an idiot.



a-doy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWxhDpX8IZs&eurl=)

[evilkumquat]

McCain admits his ad was deceitful:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MCCAIN_LIPSTICK?SITE=INKEN&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT



JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (AP) -- Did Barack Obama really call Sarah Palin a pig, as a John McCain ad leads people to believe?

"No," McCain said Monday.

Then he followed up with some more ************.

[LuciusBeebe]

A day earlier, hard-nosed Republican tactician Karl Rove, a former adviser to President Bush, said some of McCain's ads were not truthful and both sides should cool the attacks.


Hahahhahaha!!! oh man, that is rich.... finger wagging from Karl Rove about truth and restraint....

[evilkumquat]

A day earlier, hard-nosed Republican tactician Karl Rove, a former adviser to President Bush, said some of McCain's ads were not truthful and both sides should cool the attacks.


Hahahhahaha!!! oh man, that is rich.... finger wagging from Karl Rove about truth and restraint....

Yeah, that part made me throw up just a little bit in my mouth.

[LoneWolf]

Isn't this a little like Abraham Lincoln issuing a welcome to the Confederate Congress?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI

[LuciusBeebe]

Limiting government growth so personal liberty can expand?

She's a Republican? The only government growth Republicans seem to favor are the one's associated with personal liberty. Now, if she said "limiting government growth so business can expand", I'd understand. But, you know, habeus corpus, gay marriage, yadda yadda yadda....

[cynicalfoe]

Yeah, that part made me throw up just a little bit in my mouth.

Did you then swallow? Kind of like eating your own words, Cynical stated sarcastically in a feeble attempt to be funny.

[evilkumquat]

Did you then swallow? Kind of like eating your own words, Cynical stated sarcastically in a feeble attempt to be funny.

Any more feeble and your sense of humor would be forced to wear a bicycle helmet and use safety-scissors to make construction-paper dolls.

[Charles]

HAHAHA... I do think it is funny...sorry, but maybe a little immature to talk about a certain party that way, no...not defending anyone here. but you gotta admitt it's funny to say "republicans/democrats are like this or do only this or only stand for this or are this or that laddy daddy dooooo...." kinda like sayin "i dont like white/black people cuz of this or that or cuz they stand for this...bla bla bla... is this called partyism...might as well be racism or sexism...(depending on the sex on the canident of course) :hmmmm:

[LuciusBeebe]

You're equating differences of opinion with racism?

[armyda]

You're equating differences of opinion with racism?

hmmm, politicians being given minority status and protections. I'd laugh except I can see it being passed into law by Congress.

[LuciusBeebe]

Disliking someone for their thoughts is pretty much the opposite of racism.

[james_t]

I might be wrong here, but I think the parallel Charles is trying to make is stereotyping people based on labels: all Republicans are ...., all Democrats are .... etc.

[Jethro Gibbs]

Sarah Palin is a supporter of aerial hunting of wolves in Alaska. I don't know about you but this makes it hard for me to sleep at night.

I heard on the news today that Palin's secret service code name is Denali... sorry about that, but it looks like you had it first.:)

[Charles]

thank you james....yes, that was what i was tryin to get accross. Dislike someones views, but try not to dislike them. i know alot of good people that i disagree with on views....(opinions) but i still try to remember we are all americans and should still be on the same side, even with difference of opinion. anyways.... no harm ment:)

[HoosierHelen]

If you want to see some grassroots Alaska conversations regarding Palin & Troopergate, check out the following link:

http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/16/alaska-ag-says-none-will-testify-in-troopergate-probe/

[Charles]

http://http://journalgazette.net/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080917/NEWS03/809170385

read it here....

[Charles]

OH, and thats what kills me about our politics.... to listen to how people describe our country...we are americans here people. both sides do the same ugly things. and if you say they dont...get your facts straight. basicly, if you MUST choose a party to bash and make fun of... you got 2 choices...take a drive with kennedy or go hunting with cheaney... wish everyone would get back to voting on who they will believe and not bein affraid to cross the isle instead of choosing a party and bashin the other... gotta admit...some of the blogs i read on that site really cracked me up... like middle schoolers mockin another for how the dress.... lol lol lol lol lol. god bless america :)

[james_t]

http://http://journalgazette.net/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080917/NEWS03/809170385

read it here....

I think this is the link you wanted:

http://journalgazette.net/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080917/NEWS03/809170385

[HoosierHelen]

Wow! I had not seen that in our local Journal Gazette yet. How do you smell "CORRUPTION" any stronger?

[Charles]

I think this is the link you wanted:

http://journalgazette.net/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080917/NEWS03/809170385

thank you sir.... i cant even post right...jeez lol

[denali]

I heard on the news today that Palin's secret service code name is Denali... sorry about that, but it looks like you had it first.:)

"Denali" is an Athabaskan Indian word meaning "The Great One" and is the native name of Mount McKinley. I use that moniker in memory of my Great Labrador Retriever which we named "Denali" as he truly was "The Great One." Loyal, intelligent and loving. He is now at the Rainbow Bridge and is missed by us terribly. Thank you for asking about my moniker and letting me tell you about "Our Denali".

[evilkumquat]

From her interviews, I would say Palin lives in a "State of Denali".

[LuciusBeebe]

What happened to her promise to participate in the investigation?

Usually a politician waits until after the election is over to break a promise.

[evilkumquat]

What happened to her promise to participate in the investigation?

Usually a politician waits until after the election is over to break a promise.

She's a GOP overachiever.

She's against abortion for incest and rape, remember.

[hairypumper]

What happened to her promise to participate in the investigation?

Usually a politician waits until after the election is over to break a promise.

She spoke before the handlers could get the puppet strings attached to her mouth. Everything is ok now.:elefant:

[evilkumquat]

Check it out! Palin's husband is planning on continuing the Bush Administration's policy of ignoring subpoenas!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080919/pl_nm/politics_alaska_dc;_ylt=ApDH_z3ec22saCTXw0ZHLp534T 0D

Palin's husband refuses to testify in Alaska probe

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (Reuters) - The husband of Gov. Sarah Palin will ignore a subpoena from Alaska lawmakers investigating whether the Republican vice presidential nominee's firing of a state commissioner constituted an abuse of power, officials from her campaign said on Thursday.

So, apparently, the way to avoid having to answer to our justice system is just claim political bias and you're free to go?

Why didn't Clinton do that during Monicagate?

Oh wait, he respected the rule of law. Never mind.

[james_t]

Oh wait, he respected the rule of law. Never mind.

That's the first time I've heard perjury referred to as respecting the rule of law.

[evilkumquat]

That's the first time I've heard perjury referred to as respecting the rule of law.

At least he showed up to commit the perjury. Bush and his people won't even go THAT far.

I think it's mostly because, if they do show up, they will commit such perjury Jon Lovitz's Tommy Flanagan would weep with disgust.

Or they answer truthfully (hah) and get busted for war crimes.

[cynicalfoe]

This has to make you think a little bit, if not then keep your blinders on!

George Bush has been in office for 7 1/2 years. The first six the economy was fine.

A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%.

4) the DOW JONES hit a record high--14,000 +

5) American's were buying new cars, taking cruises, vacations o'seas, living large!...

But American's wanted 'CHANGE'! So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic Congress & yep--we got 'CHANGE' all right. In the PAST YEAR:

1) Consumer confidence has plummeted ;
2) Gasoline is now over $4 a gallon & climbing!;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);

4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 TRILLION

DOLLARS & prices still dropping;

5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
6) as I write, THE DOW is probing another low~~11,100--

$2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS HAS EVAPORATED FROM THEIR

STOCKS, BONDS & MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT

PORTFOLIOS!

YEP , IN 2006 AMERICA VOTED FOR CHANGE!...AND WE SURE AS HECK GOT IT!!!....NOW OBAMA, the DEM'S CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT--AND THE POLLS SAY HE'S GONNA BE 'THE MAN'--CLAIMS HE'S GONNA REALLY GIVE US CHANGE!!....JUST HOW MUCH MORE 'CHANGE' DO YA THINK YOU CAN STAND???.....

[evilkumquat]

Cynical,

You may want to research these emails the Reich Wing sends out to muddy the facts.

This is one of the latest spam emails sent by those wanting to discredit the Democrats and, much like the ones about Obama raising taxes (discredited by Snopes) and him being a Muslim (discredited by Snopes), I'm sure it won't be long for this latest pile of crap to get discredited by them as well.

Just do a search in Google for "George Bush has been in office for 7 1/2 years. The first six the economy was fine." and you will find many, many people posting this same thing.

Frankly, I'm too lazy to do enough research to discredit the whole thing (thank you Snopes), but just doing a quick Google search for gas prices during Bush's presidency shows it constantly went up. It never went down and it never leveled out under Bush. It constantly went UP. This trend was established LONG after Bush took control and all of it during the GOP's control of Congress. The fact that gas has continued to go up even after 2006 just shows the trend and how difficult the Democrats are finding it to reverse Bush and his Rubber Stamp Congress' incompetence.

Incidentally, the Dow Jones 14K high? October 1, 2007... long after the Democrats "took control" of Congress.

Etc. etc.

[edeevee]

5) American's were buying new cars, taking cruises, vacations o'seas, living large!...


Livin' large on credit they couldn't afford.

That's exactly how this whole mess happened, Cynic. Seriously. Just google Housing Crisis Timeline and any site you choose (that's not overtly biased) will show you the facts. Who knows? You might even see a few democrats involved.

Here's this one for starters (by Republicans, no less) that might shed some light on the subject for you: http://republicans.oversight.house.gov/Media/PDFs/20080307SubprimeCreditCrisisTimeline.pdf

[LuciusBeebe]

A little over one year ago:


2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;


You believe this stuff, cynic?




YEP , IN 2006 AMERICA VOTED FOR CHANGE!...AND WE SURE AS HECK GOT IT!!!....

Makes you wonder, Cynic. If things were as great as your C&P email says they were, WHY would people vote for change?

Simply put, they wouldn't. They voted for change because everything went down the toilet. Just like they'll vote for more change in November. Because, quite frankly, 8 years of Republican rule has just about wrecked this country.

People don't vote for change when everything is going well.



Cynical,
This is one of the latest spam emails sent by those wanting to discredit the Democrats....

Just do a search in Google for "George Bush has been in office for 7 1/2 years. The first six the economy was fine." and you will find many, many people posting this same thing.

Exactly. (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22George+Bush+has+been+in+office+for+7+1%2F2+ye ars%22&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=)

Remember kids, if it ends in all-caps, it probably came as a forward.

[james_t]

Palin and the likes sell nature to the highest bidder.

There's a bit on the aerial hunting thing on factcheck.org:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/call_of_the_wild.html

It seems to cut a bit both ways, at least to me.

[evilkumquat]

Holy god!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM72M62jAUc

THIS is the best the GOP could come up with for that "one heartbeat" away from the Presidency?

Gee, I wonder why McCain is doing his best to keep her away from real reporters; I mean, Palin got PWNED by KATIE COURIC!

Couric: Gimme an example of McCain going against deregulation.

Palin: I got whole bunches.

Couric: McCain has usually voted against regulation.

Palin: But he's called "THE Maverick!"

Couric: One more time, example please.

Palin: Lemme get back to you on that.

[evilkumquat]

Heh.

Just found this, too.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13736.html

Apparently, Palin has a 15% attendance record as Governor.

So, then, I guess she WOULD be just like Bush, considering as of May 2008 he holds the record for most vacation days for a United States President (879 days as of May 11).

Before anyone gets all preachy that these are all "working" vacations, don't forget he was on his ranch when that pesky "Bin Laden Determined to Attack the USA" memo got ignored.

[denali]

There's a bit on the aerial hunting thing on factcheck.org:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/call_of_the_wild.html

It seems to cut a bit both ways, at least to me.

I saw the factcheck explanation. I argue the aerial hunting issue mostly because of the fair chase issue and the ethics of it all.

I lived in Alaska for 17 years and I know all about some people's attitudes about trophy hunting so it is my belief that issue enters in to this issue. There is huge money for the state of Alaska for hunters that trophy hunt.

I am also a believer that nature will balance itself out if we do not try to work our magic and try to fix everything.

[edeevee]

Conservative journalist Kathleen Parker calls for Palin to step aside for the love of our country: http://http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDZiMDhjYTU1NmI5Y2MwZjg2MWNiMWMyYTUxZDkwNTE= (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDZiMDhjYTU1NmI5Y2MwZjg2MWNiMWMyYTUxZDkwNTE=)

[HomeyG]

Conservative journalist Kathleen Parker calls for Palin to step aside for the love of our country: http://http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDZiMDhjYTU1NmI5Y2MwZjg2MWNiMWMyYTUxZDkwNTE= (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDZiMDhjYTU1NmI5Y2MwZjg2MWNiMWMyYTUxZDkwNTE=)

Is it possible that we will have two new vice presidental nominees. Sarah Palin because of her obvious lack of knowledge on domestic financial affairs and foreign affairs, and Joe Biden because he can't keep his foot out of his mouth.

[LuciusBeebe]

and Joe Biden because he can't keep his foot out of his mouth.

I thought that was why people liked Bush.

[evilkumquat]

Palin will be wearing a wire for her upcoming debate, just like Bush did.

As an ex-newsreader, she already has plenty of experience repeating from an earpiece; the trick of course, is hiding it.

I think the McCain campaign already has her hairstyle picked out:

http://www.evilkumquat.com/images/palin_debate.jpg






Even you haters out there have to admit that's a pretty nifty bit of Photoshopping on my part, huh?

[james_t]

Even you haters out there have to admit that's a pretty nifty bit of Photoshopping on my part, huh?

Very nice. Getting the hair to look right is pretty hard.

I've got other stuff to do, so this is the best I could come up with:

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[LuciusBeebe]

Even you haters out there have to admit that's a pretty nifty bit of Photoshopping on my part, huh?

I smell heavy use of the clone stamp.

[evilkumquat]

I smell heavy use of the clone stamp.

Not really, just a little around the edges.

I spent most of the time trying to find some good Princess Leia hair that matched Palin's head (which was actually a lot harder than you might think).

Then, a liberal bit of blending between the layers, not to mention adjusting the hair color to match what was already there.

Oddly enough, the hair itself was CG. I could find no good full shot (almost all higher-rez photos of her were three-quarter or side).

[LuciusBeebe]

Talkin' shop 'bout Shop.

It was a good job.


One of my early Photoshop Phriday submissions:


http://i.treehugger.com/images/2007/10/24/electric%20car.jpg

[LuciusBeebe]

Interesting strategy in a debate, saying you're going to answer the questions as you please... off topic, apparently.

[evilkumquat]

Talkin' shop 'bout Shop.

It was a good job.


One of my early Photoshop Phriday submissions:


http://i.treehugger.com/images/2007/10/24/electric%20car.jpg

That's VERY good, actually.

If enough people in here had access, the forums ought to host something similar... except the best submissions are usually anything but "family friendly".

[LuciusBeebe]

That's VERY good, actually.

Only if you're up on your Simpsons references.

[evilkumquat]

Oh, here's a couple good anagrams for Sarah Palin:

Anal Parish - Apt concerning her fundie roots.

Plan Air Ash - Describes her scheme if she is allowed access to our nukes.

Rain Alp Ash - She's no fan of the environment.

Liar Ash Pan - Not sure what the 'ash pan' means, but the rest is dead on.

[hairypumper]

Oh, here's a couple good anagrams for Sarah Palin:

Anal Parish - Apt concerning her fundie roots.

Plan Air Ash - Describes her scheme if she is allowed access to our nukes.

Rain Alp Ash - She's no fan of the environment.

Liar Ash Pan - Not sure what the 'ash pan' means, but the rest is dead on.

You use an ash pan (or bucket) when you clean out your wood burner. Or it could be an oversized ashtray, full of stinky old dead butts.

[james_t]

If enough people in here had access, the forums ought to host something similar... except the best submissions are usually anything but "family friendly".

You can set up your own galleries here, if you wish - links to the most recent ones are at the top of the page under the recent threads, reputation, etc. listing. But yes, please keep it family friendly.

[LoneWolf]

MORE CANOCIDE! IS THERE NO JUSTICE?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HtNXlShAvU

[blue adept]

how did she get away with it?

[evilkumquat]

More Palin hijinks:

AP INVESTIGATION: Alaska funded Palin kids' travel

ANCHORAGE, Alaska – Gov. Sarah Palin charged the state for her children to travel with her, including to events where they were not invited, and later amended expense reports to specify that they were on official business.

The charges included costs for hotel and commercial flights for three daughters to join Palin to watch their father in a snowmobile race, and a trip to New York, where the governor attended a five-hour conference and stayed with 17-year-old Bristol for five days and four nights in a luxury hotel.

In all, Palin has charged the state $21,012 for her three daughters' 64 one-way and 12 round-trip commercial flights since she took office in December 2006. In some other cases, she has charged the state for hotel rooms for the girls.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081022/ap_on_el_pr/palin_family_travel;_ylt=AhUfrmRHv7YlsgB6sdYKULt34 T0D



The rest of us have to pay for daycare out of our own pockets.

Palin takes her kids to four and five-star hotels and bills the taxpayers.

I wonder if her kids said the Pledge of Allegiance while sampling gourmet luxury items from the hotel mini-bar?

[HoosierHelen]

Several of the media I watched late last evening are reporting that McCain's choice of Palin as a running mate is a larger drain on his ratings than his 90% voting record of agreeing with Bush.

His selection of her was an attempted cheap trick at appealing to the women voters. (and perhaps some men who found her to a "hottie") That thinking seems to be backfiring on him. Thankfully.

[LoneWolf]

NOW SHE'S AFTER THE POLAR BEARS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnLW57x8ZRM

[ebbieday]

His selection of her was an attempted cheap trick at appealing to the women voters. (and perhaps some men who found her to a "hottie") That thinking seems to be backfiring on him. Thankfully.

Amen to that!!

[blue adept]

Amen to that!!

My wife laments to me that Mrs. Palin has set her gender back 30 years by her ineptness. Hottie stuff aside.

[HoosierHelen]

My wife laments to me that Mrs. Palin has set her gender back 30 years by her ineptness. Hottie stuff aside.

I join your wife in her lament. Your wife is correct. Palin has re-painted the image so many women have been trying to correct for years.

I grieve for the damage she has inflected on womens public image in the professional & scholarly environments.

Helen

[ebbieday]

My wife laments to me that Mrs. Palin has set her gender back 30 years by her ineptness. Hottie stuff aside.

Ummm...yeah...I have heard the word "moron" used quite a bit. And "hottie" is a relative term...matter of opinion.

[LuciusBeebe]

My wife laments to me that Mrs. Palin has set her gender back 30 years by her ineptness.

Imagine how different the Katie Couric interview would have been if Hillary Clinton had been answering the questions. Or Condi Rice.

Point is, Sarah Palin is just a bad representative for women. But there are many fine examples out there.

[HomeyG]

Imagine how different the Katie Couric interview would have been if Hillary Clinton had been answering the questions. Or Condi Rice.

Point is, Sarah Palin is just a bad representative for women. But there are many fine examples out there.

Just because she doesn't represent what you want in a woman doesn't make her a bad representative.

[LuciusBeebe]

Just because she doesn't represent what you want in a woman doesn't make her a bad representative.

Palin doesn't misrepresent what I want in a woman, Homey. She misrepresents what I want in a politician.

Likewise, Hillary Clinton and Condaleeza Rice do not represent what I want in a woman. But they are fine political representatives.

Its not about me, Homey. Its about Sarah Palin. She's out of her depth and its obvious to anyone with open eyes.

As the latest polls are bearing out. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27297013/)

Now, Palin’s qualifications to be president rank as voters’ top concern about McCain’s candidacy - ahead of continuing President Bush’s policies, enacting economic policies that only benefit the rich and keeping too high of a troop presence in Iraq.

Got that? The top thing McCain voters are concerned about is no long the war, the economy, or being like Bush. The top concern is Sarah Palin's qualifications.

People know now. There are 2 Sarah Palins. The one that can read a speech, the one that can answer questions in a debate that she received ahead of time, the one that can deliver a speech at a rally.

Then there's the other one. The one that flubs when she isn't given the question ahead of time. The one that the McCain camp has prevented from giving any more interviews after the Couric one.

In other words, the McCain camp made a decision to basically hide her, and the net effect was that it raised concerns with the people they are courting.


Its not about what people want in a woman, Homey. Its what people want in a politician that matters. And if that politician happens to be a woman, dandy. But an inept politician is doomed to failure whether they are a man or a woman. And it is sexist to excuse that politician from their ineptitude simply because they might be a woman.

[denali]

Just because she doesn't represent what you want in a woman doesn't make her a bad representative.

Oh come on!!!!!

Please name one positive thing that she represents for women.

[evilkumquat]

Oh come on!!!!!

Please name one positive thing that she represents for women.

Well, as a former "beauty pageant contestant", Palin makes THIS one look a bit better at the ol' Q&A:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

[evilkumquat]

I almost forgot THIS recent gem, where Sarah Palin shows just how ignorant she is of what the Vice-President's powers under the Constitution actually are:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l40nrw3V3GA

She really wasn't kidding when she admitted some time ago not knowing what the Vice President's job is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJpYI2AoIGw

Do you suppose after the first time she went on national television and told the world she had no idea what the job she wanted actual was, someone sat down with her and, realizing the Vice-Presidency is actually a pretty powerless and boring job, decided to embellish the work to try and keep Palin's enthusiasm up?

The VP has two and ONLY two duties under our Constitution:

1) Become President if the first guy dies, and
2) Cast a tie-breaking vote in the Senate.

She actually said she would be "in charge" of the Senate!

She actually said she would "get in there" and make "policy changes"!

WTF?

On reflection, though, maybe she can be forgiven because she must have been watching Cheney behind the curtains for the first six years of Bush's Presidency abusing his position and stealing extra-Constitutional powers for himself and thought that's what a VP was supposed to do.

I doubt she actually read the Constitution or even watched any School House Rock.

[edeevee]

Has anyone else noticed a pattern with Palin?

She issued termination letters to Wasilla's department heads as soon as she took office as Mayor but when that proved unpopular she said it was just a "test".

She spoke to the town's librarian three times about removing books from the shelves and then tried to fire her. When the story came out in the town's paper she said her questions about censorship were just "rhetorical".

After firing the town's police chief and museum staff, two of the four remaining department heads quit. Palin tried to hire their replacements on her own -- even though that duty belonged to the town council, not the mayor. After the town attorney stopped Palin, she said, "It was brilliant maneuvering I had to do to deal with the impasse."

She forbid city employees from speaking to the press, then said it was only temporary while they became acquainted with her administration's policies.

As Governor for less than two years she has already been the subject of an investigation into her role in the dismissal of the state's public safety commissioner. The bipartisan committee found that, "Palin abused her power as governor and violated the state's Executive Branch Ethics Act." Before the report was even released Palin spoke of the results saying she was "very very pleased to be cleared of any legal wrongdoing, any hint of any kind of unethical activity there".

Now she is being questioned for billing the State of Alaska per diem for living in her own home and for being reimbursed for more than $20,000 in travel expenses for her children. She is further accused of amending records of these expenses after they came under scrutiny and of stating her children were on "official state business" although organizers of many of the events say the children played no such role. No word yet on how Palin will explain away these new questions but, do I think she will? You betcha.

Sarah Palin has established a record of acting first, performing damage control later. Her actions point to someone who either does not know the laws or, even worse, believes they do not apply to her.

I'm not a big one to put limits on what older people can do and I wish John McCain a long life -- but facts is facts. The life expectancy of a male in this country is 75.2 years. In January, McCain will be 72.5 years old. At that age, with a history of recurring cancer, he probably can't even get a decent life insurance policy. A vote for McCain may very well be a vote for Palin -- does anyone here feel confident with that decision?

[james_t]

Speaking of Sarah Palin, she'll be holding a rally Saturday at Memorial Coliseum in Fort Wayne.

http://www.wane.com/global/story.asp?s=9221717

[Rebel101]

[QUOTE=edeevee;21226]Has anyone else noticed a pattern with Palin?

She issued termination letters to Wasilla's department heads as soon as she took office as Mayor but when that proved unpopular she said it was just a "test".

She spoke to the town's librarian three times about removing books from the shelves and then tried to fire her. When the story came out in the town's paper she said her questions about censorship were just "rhetorical".

After firing the town's police chief and museum staff, two of the four remaining department heads quit. Palin tried to hire their replacements on her own -- even though that duty belonged to the town council, not the mayor. After the town attorney stopped Palin, she said, "It was brilliant maneuvering I had to do to deal with the impasse."

She forbid city employees from speaking to the press, then said it was only temporary while they became acquainted with her administration's policies.

As Governor for less than two years she has already been the subject of an investigation into her role in the dismissal of the state's public safety commissioner. The bipartisan committee found that, "Palin abused her power as governor and violated the state's Executive Branch Ethics Act." Before the report was even released Palin spoke of the results saying she was "very very pleased to be cleared of any legal wrongdoing, any hint of any kind of unethical activity there".

Now she is being questioned for billing the State of Alaska per diem for living in her own home and for being reimbursed for more than $20,000 in travel expenses for her children. She is further accused of amending records of these expenses after they came under scrutiny and of stating her children were on "official state business" although organizers of many of the events say the children played no such role. No word yet on how Palin will explain away these new questions but, do I think she will? You betcha.

Sarah Palin has established a record of acting first, performing damage control later. Her actions point to someone who either does not know the laws or, even worse, believes they do not apply to her.

Sounds like she would fit right in-even though she's not an "insider". Scares me.

[LuciusBeebe]

Sarah Palin has established a record of acting first, performing damage control later. Her actions point to someone who either does not know the laws or, even worse, believes they do not apply to her.

Or does not care.

[denali]

Speaking of Sarah Palin, she'll be holding a rally Saturday at Memorial Coliseum in Fort Wayne.

http://www.wane.com/global/story.asp?s=9221717

If I didn't have to work I would go in a split second. It would not be to see Sarah Palin but to protest Sarah Palin's aerial hunting stance and her lawsuit to remove polar bears from the endangered species list.

It has been interesting to read the Anchorage Daily News articles since Sarah Palin has been chosen by John McCain.

http://www.adn.com

[denali]

Or does not care.

Resembles G.W.. Do whatever you want it does not matter if it is against the law or not.

[hairypumper]

Speaking of Sarah Palin, she'll be holding a rally Saturday at Memorial Coliseum in Fort Wayne.

http://www.wane.com/global/story.asp?s=9221717

We're going, just to see Hank Jr. though.

[edeevee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03fcGelz8Hw

hahahahaha. I mean, yikes!

[ebbieday]

Just because she doesn't represent what you want in a woman doesn't make her a bad representative.

Well, I don't want ANYTHING in a woman and I can tell you...she is NOT the one, as a representitive, most of all! The Bush doctrine response from the Charlie Gibson interview was highly embarassing to ALL women. I would never take a job offered to me that I am totally underqualified for and she shouldn't have either. If McPalin does win, you will see.

[blue adept]

Has anyone else noticed a pattern with Palin?

She issued termination letters to Wasilla's department heads as soon as she took office as Mayor but when that proved unpopular she said it was just a "test".

She spoke to the town's librarian three times about removing books from the shelves and then tried to fire her. When the story came out in the town's paper she said her questions about censorship were just "rhetorical".

After firing the town's police chief and museum staff, two of the four remaining department heads quit. Palin tried to hire their replacements on her own -- even though that duty belonged to the town council, not the mayor. After the town attorney stopped Palin, she said, "It was brilliant maneuvering I had to do to deal with the impasse."

She forbid city employees from speaking to the press, then said it was only temporary while they became acquainted with her administration's policies.

As Governor for less than two years she has already been the subject of an investigation into her role in the dismissal of the state's public safety commissioner. The bipartisan committee found that, "Palin abused her power as governor and violated the state's Executive Branch Ethics Act." Before the report was even released Palin spoke of the results saying she was "very very pleased to be cleared of any legal wrongdoing, any hint of any kind of unethical activity there".

Now she is being questioned for billing the State of Alaska per diem for living in her own home and for being reimbursed for more than $20,000 in travel expenses for her children. She is further accused of amending records of these expenses after they came under scrutiny and of stating her children were on "official state business" although organizers of many of the events say the children played no such role. No word yet on how Palin will explain away these new questions but, do I think she will? You betcha.

Sarah Palin has established a record of acting first, performing damage control later. Her actions point to someone who either does not know the laws or, even worse, believes they do not apply to her.

I'm not a big one to put limits on what older people can do and I wish John McCain a long life -- but facts is facts. The life expectancy of a male in this country is 75.2 years. In January, McCain will be 72.5 years old. At that age, with a history of recurring cancer, he probably can't even get a decent life insurance policy. A vote for McCain may very well be a vote for Palin -- does anyone here feel confident with that decision?

I hear ya E, this woman is scary.

[blue adept]

If McPalin does win, you will see.

My god I hope not!

[ebbieday]

Let's get the votes in.

http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html

[evilkumquat]

New Palin scandal brewing:

AP INVESTIGATION: Palin's pipeline terms netted 1 viable bid, from firm with inside ties

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) -- Gov. Sarah Palin's signature accomplishment - a contract to build a 1,715-mile pipeline to bring natural gas from Alaska to the Lower 48 - emerged from a flawed bidding process that narrowed the field to a company with ties to her administration, an Associated Press investigation shows.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PALIN_PIPELINE?SITE=INKEN&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

[LuciusBeebe]

Too bad Palin can't field questions like this. (http://www.wftv.com/video/17790025/index.html)


btw, I like her scarf. The animal on it is very interesting.


http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/7592/originalhw8.jpg

[HoosierHelen]

Oh My! Did she even take a glance at that scarf? LOL!

[Copycatted]

I thought I heard her as I was doing dishes say right towards the end of her talk at the Veterans War Memorial this evening if you want your ash trays cleaned up then send us to Washington. Glad I happened to be taping it. Actually she said WALL STREET NOT ASH TRAYS,DUH!

Gee whiz had it been for reals we might of had to get biggbass that hat after all and called Fort Wayne International and get him booked for a stand-by flight after the 4th:)

[denali]

We're going, just to see Hank Jr. though.

Did you go today? How was the rally?

[hairypumper]

Did you go today? How was the rally?

Oh, so-so I guess. If they run the country like they run a rally we're all doomed. One of the gate workers told us people started lining up at 8:00. They opened the doors at 4:00. They delayed the start until 7:00 because only about half the crowd had made it through security. We were told we would have to empty our pockets and have our cell phones powered up so they could check them. About 7:15 they stepped back and let everyone flood in. We got there around 5:00 and finally got seated about 7:45. It's probably a good thing we missed Souder's speech, I would most likely have been forcably removed for yelling "liar". Missed all but two Bocephus songs, they were pretty comical actually. Sarah gave a good show, played the house fairly well, but she didn't really win me over. Her husband gave as many autographs as she did. Probably the worst part of the whole thing was the fact there was no consideration for restroom facilities for the people standing in the cold for so many hours. They did have firemen walking the line with blankets for people with small children. It's kind of like Basic Training, I'm glad I went but I wouldn't do it again.

[james_t]

We have a few video excerpts here:

http://www.fwdailynews.com/articles/2008/10/27/online_features/video/palin.txt

[evilkumquat]

WOW!

Even unapologetic Bush supporter Mitch Daniels doesn't want to be seen with her!

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081028/NEWS0502/810280411

[HoosierHelen]

OMG - TV going in the living room and Palin is having her say!! Pardon me - must turn the volume down and then visit the bathroom to GAG!!!!

[ltzheather]

Oh, so-so I guess. If they run the country like they run a rally we're all doomed. One of the gate workers told us people started lining up at 8:00. They opened the doors at 4:00. They delayed the start until 7:00 because only about half the crowd had made it through security. We were told we would have to empty our pockets and have our cell phones powered up so they could check them. About 7:15 they stepped back and let everyone flood in. We got there around 5:00 and finally got seated about 7:45. It's probably a good thing we missed Souder's speech, I would most likely have been forcably removed for yelling "liar". Missed all but two Bocephus songs, they were pretty comical actually. Sarah gave a good show, played the house fairly well, but she didn't really win me over. Her husband gave as many autographs as she did. Probably the worst part of the whole thing was the fact there was no consideration for restroom facilities for the people standing in the cold for so many hours. They did have firemen walking the line with blankets for people with small children. It's kind of like Basic Training, I'm glad I went but I wouldn't do it again.

That's amazing. :)
I'm sorry I missed it.

[LuciusBeebe]

so well put (http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1185304443?bctid=1885474357)

[HoosierHelen]

so well put (http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1185304443?bctid=1885474357)

agreed - very well put

[evilkumquat]

That was HILARIOUS!

They didn't even have to put any of the insane stuff that's been dribbling down her chin to make her look bad... just that inane wink from the debate.

[flatbird1]

Monty Python in drag.

[HoosierHelen]

That was HILARIOUS!

They didn't even have to put any of the insane stuff that's been dribbling down her chin to make her look bad... just that inane wink from the debate.

Did I miss something? What are you referring to on this?