Is Angola wasting time and money?

[michael medeski]

Do you think the city should be worried about fixing up the downtown right now? Is there better things that they could spend their time and money on?
Our downtown is just fine IMHO. Maybe the city could find something else to raise and spend money on. Don't we still need money to fix our water problem?

[michael medeski]

thanks to the steuben county community foundation for their donation to help with water cleanup.

at least someone knows what's important.

[jims]

The city has pledged $1 million for the Dana cleanup site so its not as if they don't care about water quality.
The downtown can be improved. After the relatively unchecked and somewhat gaudy growth along North Wayne, the idea is to reestablish the preeminence of downtown, to make it a place people can spend much of their day.

[michael medeski]

hi jims.

i agree the downtown could use a makeover, but maybe now is not the time to worry about that. i would think there would be better things to spend money on right now, not planting some trees and flowers and pouring a little concrete.

[HomeyG]

Garrett poured new sidewalks, planted some trees, added some flowers to go with the new antique lights, but the only thing we don't have is any new businesses, fact is, lost some of the old ones. Seems like money could have been better spent on things we really need, such as a new water system.

[michael medeski]

exactly homeyg

oh yea, the million the city pitched in is just a fraction of the cost. why aren't any city people throwing a "clean water revitalization party" at the moose to raise extra money for the cleanup?

[mrs.bass46703]

Yes yes yes I have to jump in on this one. Like i said in my dollar tree thread the city can't afford the stuff it already has. Its pretty bad when you see a homeless man walking down the street with no place to go because a small shelter is full and we are spending a million bucks to clean up some old nasty buliding. Please we chould use that to build a bigger shelter and offer more help to people looking for work. The new project help really in not much bigger than the old one. Other cities like auburn have 20 bed shelters . We need something like that.

[michael medeski]

a bigger shelter should be on there before trees and flowers i agree, but our water should be the first thing.

people drink and use the water every day. it effects everyone. it needs to be clean.

[mrs.bass46703]

a bigger shelter should be on there before trees and flowers i agree, but our water should be the first thing.

people drink and use the water every day. it effects everyone. it needs to be clean.

true but if they got money for that they should have money for other things. Feeding the poor, rehab centers, ect. They already screwed things up by closing the welfare office. It seems they are not fousing on important issues when they recieve money?

[michael medeski]

mrs. bass

i'm glad there are people like you out there. they need to get the important things taken care of first, then worry about making downtown look pretty.

we need you on the citys payroll!

[mrs.bass46703]

mrs. bass

i'm glad there are people like you out there. they need to get the important things taken care of first, then worry about making downtown look pretty.

we need you on the citys payroll!

I wish i'm diasabled {mental problems} but i whould love to work for the city. I have ocd so all the offices whould be spick and span ha ha .But seriously if i worked for the city i whould build rehab centers, work centers besides Rise and work on helping everyone in the city become productive. But since i don't work for the city its all just a dream. thanks for not bashing me as others do on here!

[michael medeski]

thats funny people tell me i have ocd. and yes my house is spotless. maybe thats why the water thing is really bothering me. i want clean water asap.

[michael medeski]

i brought this topic up because i hope someone that knows a little more about how city gov't works than me, can tell me if they think that the downtown project should be put on the backburnner for a little while?

[michael medeski]

why would i want to talk to julie cole of all people. i thought people here could give their opinions.

where did racefans post go?

[james_t]

where did racefans post go?

Looks like he deleted it.

[michael medeski]

great now it looks like i'm talking to myself :)

[HoosierHelen]

great now it looks like i'm talking to myself :)

You are funny Michael! Happens to me too. LOL!

[flatbird1]

I wish i'm diasabled {mental problems} but i whould love to work for the city. I have ocd so all the offices whould be spick and span ha ha .But seriously if i worked for the city i whould build rehab centers, work centers besides Rise and work on helping everyone in the city become productive. But since i don't work for the city its all just a dream. thanks for not bashing me as others do on here!

mrs. bass,

Do you do any volunteer work?

[evilkumquat]

I think the best way to revitalize the downtown is to get rid of the soldier's monument and turn it into an actual intersection, increasing the parking on the Square.

Columbia and her brother statues could be reinstalled in one of our parks and become a much nicer place for those who want to visit it and read the plaques.

Not a popular opinion I'm sure, but just one man's...

[michael medeski]

flatbird

please at least give me your opinion on the subject, then ask mrs. bass a question. don't hijack my thread:)

[michael medeski]

good idea quat. they should at least do the bypass thing before changing the looks.

it is kind of dangerous for people to get close enough to see things. i bet more people would enjoy it if it was easier to get to.

[Thorman]

Moving the statue at the mound is nearly impossible. Beyond the cry of many people about forgetting those soldiers from Steuben County that fought in the Civil War, the political logistics would prevent any movement. The statue is owned by the county and sits on land owned by the city which is in the middle of US 20 controlled for all practical purposes by the national government with assistance from the state of Indiana.

Even if the monument was removed, there would be no guarantees that the state would put in any traffic lights to deal with the traffic snarls. With the little concern that the state has regarding number of trucks using US 20, removing the monument makes little sense as a way to deal with the traffic problems of Angola.

[kingster]

We have the technology to move anything that needs to be moved.it could be just as special in a park.

[HoosierHelen]

We have the technology to move anything that needs to be moved.it could be just as special in a park.

Physical movement of the monuments doesn't seem to be the obsticle according to Kingster's posting. Thorman says...

The statue is owned by the county and sits on land owned by the city which is in the middle of US 20 controlled for all practical purposes by the national government with assistance from the state of Indiana.

That is alot of red tape to overcome. It is probably possible, however, a difficult and time consuming commitment for anyone. The idea of seeing these monuments in a park setting makes alot of sence, however, who is going to devote their time and effort to make this happen?

[Copycatted]

i brought this topic up because i hope someone that knows a little more about how city gov't works than me, can tell me if they think that the downtown project should be put on the backburnner for a little while?

Unless we learn some twisted history differently it didn't begin that way but once Governments have their day in Court/bailouts it'll be the Peoples turn.

[Copycatted]

You are funny Michael! Happens to me too. LOL!

With a :dito: :dito: here and a :dito: :dito: there...

[Copycatted]

I think the best way to revitalize the downtown is to get rid of the soldier's monument and turn it into an actual intersection, increasing the parking on the Square.

Columbia and her brother statues could be reinstalled in one of our parks and become a much nicer place for those who want to visit it and read the plaques.

Not a popular opinion I'm sure, but just one man's...

EK that idea wouldn't even float in 70 some years when we get the Toll Road back even to go lease it out again just to buy the stop light:)

[flatbird1]

flatbird

please at least give me your opinion on the subject, then ask mrs. bass a question. don't hijack my thread:)

Thanks for the heads-up.

About the mound: In my view, civic and commercial improvements are not taxing unit's jurisdiction.

Traffic studies have repeatedly shown traffic circles (in England called roundabouts) increase traffic flow through an intersection at least double.

Washington D.C. has a lot of them.

In ending, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[evilkumquat]

Moving the statue at the mound is nearly impossible. Beyond the cry of many people about forgetting those soldiers from Steuben County that fought in the Civil War, the political logistics would prevent any movement. The statue is owned by the county and sits on land owned by the city which is in the middle of US 20 controlled for all practical purposes by the national government with assistance from the state of Indiana.

Even if the monument was removed, there would be no guarantees that the state would put in any traffic lights to deal with the traffic snarls. With the little concern that the state has regarding number of trucks using US 20, removing the monument makes little sense as a way to deal with the traffic problems of Angola.

Do we really have to worry about hurting the feelings of any living Civil War veterans? :)

Seriously, though. I think it would be more respectful to their memories by having the monument moved to a quiet park environment surrounded by families picnicking and children playing than snarling traffic, exhaust fumes and semi-drivers occasionally clipping its edges.

I know the State has been reticent in creating a bypass because of the logistics involved, so it seems this would be an expedient compromise: semi-trucks would not block progress as much while the downtown merchants would see the same amount of traffic, with the added possibility of a better (and safer) parking layout.

[Copycatted]

We have the technology to move anything that needs to be moved.it could be just as special in a park.

Does give credence to an good brain drain though,joggers,bikers,skateboarders,pigeons,playin g chess in the park...

[Copycatted]

I know the State has been reticent in creating a bypass because of the logistics involved, so it seems this would be an expedient compromise: semi-trucks would not block progress as much while the downtown merchants would see the same amount of traffic, with the added possibility of a better (and safer) parking layout.

I don't know EK,I'm still thinking for an bypass by making it an overhead one. And while we're problem solving here throw in an Amtrack rail and just do the whole bypass overhead thing above your house EK:)

[evilkumquat]

I don't know EK,I'm still thinking for an bypass by making it an overhead one. And while we're problem solving here throw in an Amtrack rail and just do the whole bypass overhead thing above your house EK:)

It would be likely less annoying than my neighbor's dog...

[Copycatted]

It would be likely less annoying than my neighbor's dog...

Deer in this end of Town. All I got from two tomato plants this past year was a grand total of two tomatoes.

[evilkumquat]

Deer in this end of Town. All I got from two tomato plants this past year was a grand total of two tomatoes.

Maybe I can borrow those from you and fashion a set of earplugs for my wife when those neighbors of mine leave their yapping mutt outside past 9pm.

Although, to their credit, if the dog is still making his noise by 11pm, all it takes is a friendly reminder (e.g., opening up my window and shouting at the top of my lungs) to get them to take the dog inside.

When did my street become an Italian tenement in 1920's New York City?

[burgundystar77]

Yes yes yes I have to jump in on this one. Like i said in my dollar tree thread the city can't afford the stuff it already has. Its pretty bad when you see a homeless man walking down the street with no place to go because a small shelter is full and we are spending a million bucks to clean up some old nasty buliding. Please we chould use that to build a bigger shelter and offer more help to people looking for work. The new project help really in not much bigger than the old one. Other cities like auburn have 20 bed shelters . We need something like that.

I've known, in the past, that when the shelter was full, that they were nice enough to call other shelters in near-by towns to see if they could find a place for that person, and they help to transport them there....I'm not sure if someone's already said this, cause I'm in a bit of a hurry, but, once project help moves, I've heard they're going to turn that part into the shelter as well, which will provide atleast a few more rooms! That should help!

[michael medeski]

right flatbird. if its not broke don't fix it. or at least don't fix it till we have a bunch of extra money to blow. there has to be a 100 better things to spend money on. i heard it cost an insane ammount of money just to get some of the pretty brick inlaid in our sidewalks. what is wrong with cement? and i don't think indiana wants the money sucking toll road back. i'm sure the people who are leasing it regret it now.

p.s. i think i have the same neighbors evil. :)

[ted4502000]

why would i want to talk to julie cole of all people. i thought people here could give their opinions.

where did racefans post go?

Michael M That is what people call your basic LACK OF freedom of speech.

His post was obviously edited or in this case deleted.:hmmmm:

[michael medeski]

all it said was to contact julie cole and gave her e-mail. she is the last person i want to talk to.

[ted4502000]

Michael M That is what people call your basic LACK OF freedom of speech.

His post was obviously edited or in this case deleted.:hmmmm:

I am retracking my quote from earlier. It was not correct of me to assume that it was censored.

I apologize to anyone that I may have insulted by saying this.

[Thorman]

all it said was to contact julie cole and gave her e-mail. she is the last person i want to talk to.

Let's see....you complain that Angola is wasting time and money and yet you refuse to contact Julie Cole at City Hall? Can I then assume that you are guessing on information or just listening to people at the hairdressers or coffee shop? That's where the newspapers get the scoop on the important news of the day. [dripping sarcasm] If you don't go to the source, where then do you get the information to defend your viewpoint?

I guess the main question is: how can you have an opinion that is legitimate if you do not want to get the facts on some issue? Now maybe Cole will give you the facts/statistics/information that you need which could then lead you to the opinion that the city is wasting money. That is at least acceptable.

But until then...........jeesh.

[michael medeski]

the whole idea of this was to get other peoples opinions. i already know what julie cole would say. thorman do you have an opinion or do you call julie cole when you need one? all i am saying is that there are better things to do with angola's money than fix up downtown. can you think of any?

[Thorman]

Although I am not in the mood to get into a blogging ****ing match, I will respond. If you check my previous postings you will find that I have actively discussed my views on good government. Rest assured that these ideas are my own without the help of others. I also, however, make sure to find the necessary facts/information to support my viewpoints. Therefore, I can say that I believe that they are educated opinions. [granted, I may be biased towards my own viewpoints but that is natural]

As to fixing downtown, much of the money has come from grants that the city has received, either out-right or via matching moneys. The center of a city cannot be allowed to die or the city will become a donut with no business or social activity. Examine Indianapolis and Fort Wayne as examples. Who goes downtown FW? The city is correct in working to preserve our downtown because it is an investment for everyone in the city and the county. Redevelopment of the downtown for economic purposes as well as quality of life purposes makes sense to me.

[michael medeski]

thanks thorman.

that's the kind of reply i want to hear. i want to hear what everyone thinks.
so what you are saying is, that they can't use any of the money in the fund for anything but downtown.
you say much of the money comes from grants. so not all of it. right?
why do i see fundraisers for the downtown fund, but none to to cleanup the water or salt for roads or other things i hear the city needs money for. it seems all i hear about is downtown improvement. in my opinion it should not be at the very top of the citys agenda right now. i like the downtown. i would like to see a bypass someday when we have extra money. do we now?

p.s. i think we can talk about this without ****ing. whatever that is.:)

[TheBigB]

I've gotten another one of my good ideas. It would be a major move, would avoid the wasting of money for downtown redevelopment, and would solve the US 20 bypass issue - all in one fell swoop.

Move the monument a mile or two north, maybe to one of those undeveloped tracts between Meijer and Walmart, maybe to the old Sutton's parking lot, somewhere out there. Move the "downtown" out there, and the mound bottleneck goes away!!!

:star::thrasher::dancing2::tee:

Edit: curse to James for the 4 emoticon limit!!!

[evilkumquat]

p.s. i think we can talk about this without ****ing. whatever that is.:)

I'll give you a hint.

The word is an onomatoPEEa.

Those who aren't laughing right now should have studied more in high school.

[denali]

The name of this thread is:
"Is Angola wasting time and money?

Who is Angola? The taxpayers? The Chamber? The Mayor? I am not sure what is meant by "Angola".

As far as I know, taxpayers are not paying for these improvements, or are they? If not, then if there are grants and people that want to fund these improvements, then why not-have at it?

I envision the downtown area much more than what it presently is, bringing revenue, preserving the history, providing a gathering place for the community, etc.

If not now, when?

If I remember correctly there was just an article in the Herald saying that there were 18 beds at the shelter and only 12 were being. If people want a bigger shelter, get involved, raise the money, don't just complain, take action.

This is scarcity thinking, we can do more than one thing at a time.

[michael medeski]

when i say angola i mean everyone, the city of. so from what i am reading angola has plenty of money. they are not short on money for anything? is the money for one thing not alowed to be used for another? the main thing i don't understand is that the city is short money in some areas, but they do have money to do other things. i guess if ALL the downtown money comes from grants, and can only be used for trees, flowers ect.,then by all means use it. but i think finding enough money to clean up univertical should first on the list of things to improve angola. like i stated earlier in the thread i don't know the inner workings of city gov't that well, so maybe there is no way of taking the money for one thing and using it for another. you mention some people want to fund these improvments. why would those people not want their money used for anything that would help improve the city. not just the looks.

[pixiegirl]

I'll give you a hint.

The word is an onomatoPEEa.

Those who aren't laughing right now should have studied more in high school.

ROFL
:alberteinstein:

[michael medeski]

so the streetscape project starts in 2010. do you think they will have univertical and our water cleaned up by then? :hmmmm:
i hope so.

[armyda]

so the streetscape project starts in 2010. do you think they will have univertical and our water cleaned up by then? :hmmmm:
i hope so.

Where did you hear that?

[michael medeski]

Where did you hear that?

wlki news on their web site. INDOT is to start work on the road in 2010.

[armyda]

Thanks, I was just curious

[troublesome one]

But is anything to become of the bypass?

Most people think of a northern route while former Angola councilman Harry Nix wanted one to go south. Maybe in conjunction with a sewer district?? :)

[Copycatted]

But is anything to become of the bypass?

Most people think of a northern route while former Angola councilman Harry Nix wanted one to go south. Maybe in conjunction with a sewer district?? :)

Personally with the intersections of the Toll Road and 69 so close I don't believe little ole Angola will ever see no truck bypass. But should Angola's population ever outgrow its banks I still say both an over-head Amtrack train stop and truck bypass should be built over the EK's house:)

[evilkumquat]

But should Angola's population ever outgrow its banks I still say both an over-head Amtrack train stop and truck bypass should be built over the EK's house:)

Why not?

Maybe the traffic would drown out the !#$!@$ noise from that neighbor's dog.

[troublesome one]

Personally with the intersections of the Toll Road and 69 so close I don't believe little ole Angola will ever see no truck bypass. But should Angola's population ever outgrow its banks I still say both an over-head Amtrack train stop and truck bypass should be built over the EK's house:)


I'll come to EK's defense on that one, Faff.

tweeeeeeeet...Personal Foul unnecessary noise :)

[denali]

Why not?

Maybe the traffic would drown out the !#$!@$ noise from that neighbor's dog.

What kind of situation is that dog in? Is it chained and left to bark all the time?

[evilkumquat]

What kind of situation is that dog in? Is it chained and left to bark all the time?

Well, last night, the dog was chained outside the door, barking just about non-stop until around 10:00pm. Just when I had enough and was about to shout out my window, the neighbor opened up the door and told the dog off.

Later, around 1:00am or so, it started barking again for about another half hour then stopped. I don't know if they took it inside or I just fell asleep.

They've left the dog outside in VERY cold weather before and they don't have it secured to a sturdy pole, rather a cinderblock that looks like the dog can move it if it tries hard enough. It is a medium-small dog (I have no idea what breed it is; I don't know dogs very well).

A few times it managed to move the block enough to almost reach our cars as we pull in to my driveway (once darting out and scaring the hell out of me as I was pulling in). It wasn't close enough to get hit, but close enough to LOOK like it could get hit.

To her credit, the neighbor came out and moved the chain back (or shortened it). I've thought about complaining to the city but I feel bad for the neighbor since she seems older and lonely and that dog may be her only companion (I don't know this for certain since I really don't know anything about the woman).

This won't keep me from screaming out my window at midnight if she lets the ****** thing bark and keep my wife up, though. I'm a night owl, but my wife has to get up very early in the morning to get the kids ready for school.

Even if I'm not trying to sleep, the dog is very annoying.

It doesn't bark like that every night, but there have been plenty of nights like the last. I've had to scream out my window three or four times to get them to take it inside.

[michael medeski]

i think i know why the city is more worried about fixing up downtown than fixing our water. the people that make these donations must not live in town and have to drink the city's water. PLUS i found out that some of the city people heading the downtown improvement, own stores and restruants downtown.

i guess if i owned a business downtown, and did not have to drink the city water, i would be more worried about the possibality of making more money instead of the enviroment too.

[michael medeski]

i just read that local officials are metting with IDEM tomorrow. GOOD. i hope things get resolved ASAP. that was good to hear.:)

[michael medeski]

so angola is not getting bailout money from the state for our water crisis. they are still 2.5 million short :hmmmm: i wonder where we could find that money.

i wonder just how much downtown money is from grants, and how much is donated.

maybe if we buy a few less trees or bricks that would help. or just forget the median all together. that is the best idea.

maybe the trines could donate the money. we could change the name of the town to "Trineville" home of trine state and clean water. at least our enviroment and water would not be polluted then.

[james_t]

so angola is not getting bailout money from the state for our water crisis.

Here is the article about this from today's Herald:

http://www.fwdailynews1.com/articles/2009/03/19/news/spotlight/heraldrepublican/hid144308sect_bd01d648f3f4522df1.txt

[nathandiehl]

so angola is not getting bailout money from the state for our water crisis.

Is there actually a 'water crisis' or is this actually a brownfield crisis, with possible potential for water pollution?
Has Angola's water supply actually been polluted by the brownfield?

[pixiegirl]

Is there actually a 'water crisis' or is this actually a brownfield crisis, with possible potential for water pollution?
Has Angola's water supply actually been polluted by the brownfield?

From what I understand one of the City's water supplies has been contaminated.

[Charles]

Cabin Fever...ahhhhhhhhhhh :creep:

[blue adept]

i think i know why the city is more worried about fixing up downtown than fixing our water. the people that make these donations must not live in town and have to drink the city's water. PLUS i found out that some of the city people heading the downtown improvement, own stores and restruants downtown.

i guess if i owned a business downtown, and did not have to drink the city water, i would be more worried about the possibality of making more money instead of the enviroment too.

I don't know about your downtown, but ours is not being paid for by the city. Most downtowns have an EID, that is a economic improvement district. These EID's are basically a voluntary extra tax. The monies generated are used for rebuilding, fixing up, or replacing things that cities used to pay for, but no longer will.

[nathandiehl]

From what I understand one of the City's water supplies has been contaminated.

Where can I read about this? I'm interested to know what's up.

[pixiegirl]

Where can I read about this? I'm interested to know what's up.

This is what was reported on WLKI this morning.

http://www.wlki.com/story.php?IDNews=1510

[mrs.bass46703]

This is what was reported on WLKI this morning.

http://www.wlki.com/story.php?IDNews=1510

good luck getting the city to admit to it. They blew me off when i acussed the of the city water as being contaminated. On the 2007 nwater quality report thread. pm's that were threating is all i got

[HoosierHelen]

This is what was reported on WLKI this morning.

http://www.wlki.com/story.php?IDNews=1510

With all the money being appropriated for the stimulus plan, I don't understand why Angola's contaminated water problem would not be considered as a candidate on this list?

The potential to effect the community seems to be well established?

[Copycatted]

I don't know about your downtown, but ours is not being paid for by the city. Most downtowns have an EID, that is a economic improvement district. These EID's are basically a voluntary extra tax. The monies generated are used for rebuilding, fixing up, or replacing things that cities used to pay for, but no longer will.

I think any who could should swing green as the City of Aspen did because of losing so much winter sports revenue due to this global warming. If I recall the County Community Building sort of swung green with all the work done to it lately. But I haven't noticed any wind turbines or solar panels around there though:)

[HoosierHelen]

I think any who could should swing green as the City of Aspen did because of losing so much winter sports revenue due to this global warming. If I recall the County Community Building sort of swung green with all the work done to it lately. But I haven't noticed any wind turbines or solar panels around there though:)

now...did you look up? :)

[nathandiehl]

With all the money being appropriated for the stimulus plan, I don't understand why Angola's contaminated water problem would not be considered as a candidate on this list?


If I recall my numbers correctly, Indiana is allocating 122 million for water and sewer projects state-wide.
Estimates to fix all of Indiana municipalities' water and sewer problems will cost 4.5 billion.

Obviously the vast majority of municipalities will be left out on this round of funding.

[HoosierHelen]

If I recall my numbers correctly, Indiana is allocating 122 million for water and sewer projects state-wide.
Estimates to fix all of Indiana municipalities' water and sewer problems will cost 4.5 billion.

Obviously the vast majority of municipalities will be left out on this round of funding.

That sure is a hugh gap, hopefully more funds will be able to be allocated later.

[troublesome one]

Hmmmmm...let me guess...most money goes to: Marion, Hamilton, Lake & Porter counties. Maybe a bone to Boone.

[michael medeski]

new idea, instead of the trines donating the money, maybe the city could sell them commons park. i could live with "trine park".

[blue adept]

new idea, instead of the trines donating the money, maybe the city could sell them commons park. i could live with "trine park".

Now that's my kinda sarcasm! Way to go Michael!

[Copycatted]

now...did you look up? :)

Am waitng for my systems' upgrade so I can look down HoosierHelen or when I get my May stimulus:) But then what am I gonna do about that haircut-triple :) :)

[mrs.bass46703]

mrs. bass,

Do you do any volunteer work?

say i can't might go off on someone b.s. isn't it

[happy2bhere]

WAKE UP ANGOLA! I am almost 60 and have lived in this town on and off for that many years. I have lived and traveled worldwide. This is not a recent issue for this town. It is DECADES old. We should have demanded back when the Superfund first came out that this site be cleaned up! They just recently starting talking about looking into this fund. I am sure that I am not the only one that remembers this issue since the 70's to the 80's before Dana left town? It might not have been in the well then but what did our elected officials think was going to happen with all the PCB's, lead, and all the other horrible contaminates were going to go? I think I know. Down the big drain pipe to the creek that goes into what. Oh yes I remember Long Lake. Maybe the people on the south end of the county might be really needing that sewer system that they are fighting against to help decontaminate their water against the toxic waste being dumped down it being diverted into their new sewer. It is a thought. Good luck you South End of the County people. We have needed to worry about this issue decades ago and now I wonder how much harm it has done now. I really did not know until recently that it was not taken care of years ago. The elected officials need to be responsible decision makers for the future of the town not for their own career goals. I am so glad that I do not live in town. I am a person who researches before any type of opinion is formed I know that we not only need to be worried about Angola's water supply but the whole watershed in the Midwest area. The public needs not only all the information on this site but how the watersheds work. We are doing long term damage everywhere by ignoring this site. I also wish to thank Univertical for being a responsible earth citizen for offering the money to help with the clean up when they did not have any oligated legally too. Your offer is huge for not having any responsibility for this environmental disaster. Also thank you for bringing jobs into that empty space because I do not think if it was me I would have. You are setting on hazardous waste that has been ignored for far to long. We can be assured with your presence that you are the type of company that cares. Why NE Indiana are we so worried about the people that overbuy ephedrine (Sudafed) so we can get more grant money when the new report gets sent in at the end of the month then holding companies accountable for their actions? Why do we hold and make big issues at of the small guy then the big corporations that are killings us slowly by illegally, knowingly, dumping hazardous wastes? The good old boys club needs to end by us voters educating ourselves and giving the information in its entirety to the public. I personally want to know how bad is it really now. It has got to be very bad because of how many years of pushing it under the rug from the public. EVERYONE needs to be concerned about what we are bathing, drinking, and especially what we are dumping into the waters of the United States. On a sudden thought maybe that is the real reason for the meth epidemic in this area. The water makes sum crave the drug? No I am just being sarcastic. The headlines go from one created issue to another while important ones get ignored. We need to get and read all the facts not just the created hype being pushed on us. We are filling our courts with innocent people (like I said do the research, get the real facts) for petty problems that gives some elected people glory but the major lawbreakers that cost the taxpayers subtantial amounts of money are not even slapped on the hand? We might wonder if we were outsiders would we want to really live in this town. We have done nothing about land contaminated by hazardous waste and have such a big meth problem that we have to arrest hundreds of people within the last year for selling (this to is not what these people are doing but they have the public believing it don't they) over the counter drugs? The towns population is not that large. Most companies that are looking for sites do research to attract a large job pool. Why would you move to Angola with just these two problems alone. Kill your workers with bad water and do not medically treat ourselves tends to lead to large insurance premiums, high turn-over, and all this in an area where we live with high percentage of drug dealers would really sound appealing to most companies. Do not say anything about the PE cold drug because then it would be obvious to me that you have not read the facts on this issue. EDUCATE BE INFORMED ASK QUESTIONS AND MOST OF ALL SEEK RESPONSIBILITY OF ALL CITIZENS NOT JUST A CERTAIN TARGET POPULATION OF YOUR CHOICE!

[james_t]

say i can't might go off on someone b.s. isn't it

I don't think flatbird was going off, mrs.b, merely making a constructive suggestion.

[michael medeski]

new idea, instead of the trines donating the money, maybe the city could sell them commons park. i could live with "trine park".

well, it does not look like my idea of the trines helping us out is going to happen. they must be broke like the rest of us. they can't even afford to run fun spot. i hope they can survive through these tough times.

so, if the city wants to sell, i'll buy it. i think it would be a good investment. i won't pay too much. there is a graveyard next door. that kind of hurts the value. maybe there would be some others interested in it too. they could auction it off to the highest bidder. water clean-up money problem solved.:)

[mrs.bass46703]

I don't think flatbird was going off, mrs.b, merely making a constructive suggestion.

I didn't mean he was going off on me,i was answering his Question about volunteer work. I ment my shrink says i can't even volunteer because of my inabilty to control myself in public. Thats what i ment.

[james_t]

I didn't mean he was going off on me,i was answering his Question about volunteer work. I ment my shrink says i can't even volunteer because of my inabilty to control myself in public. Thats what i ment.

Sorry, I mis-read your post.

[michael medeski]

well, it does not look like my idea of the trines helping us out is going to happen. they must be broke like the rest of us. they can't even afford to run fun spot. i hope they can survive through these tough times.

so, if the city wants to sell, i'll buy it. i think it would be a good investment. i won't pay too much. there is a graveyard next door. that kind of hurts the value. maybe there would be some others interested in it too. they could auction it off to the highest bidder. water clean-up money problem solved.:)

i have not heard anything on my offer. the park must not be for sale. the city must have some property, building, or something they would be willing to sell to raise money.

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i have not heard anything on my offer. the park must not be for sale. the city must have some property, building, or something they would be willing to sell to raise money.

I don't know michael medeski,or maybe by the proposal you just made a mistake. Not until the transitioning I assumed the best friend :eek: of EK was the only one who could not make a mistake:)

[michael medeski]

I don't know michael medeski,or maybe by the proposal you just made a mistake. Not until the transitioning I assumed the best friend :eek: of EK was the only one who could not make a mistake:)

made a mistake? i'm not sure what you are saying.:hmmmm:

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made a mistake? i'm not sure what you are saying.:hmmmm:

When the so called bus with standing room only stoppd at a bus stop to pick up a new :eek: passenger,the former Secretary of Defense...

[michael medeski]

When the so called bus with standing room only stoppd at a bus stop to pick up a new :eek: passenger,the former Secretary of Defense...

faff, i think i'm missing something. you might have to explain what you mean to me a little more. i'm a little :stupid: sometimes.:)

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faff, i think i'm missing something. you might have to explain what you mean to me a little more. i'm a little :stupid: sometimes.:)

Personally assuming enough was said with the Commisions or whatever they're to be called coming up in D.C. (over any alleged wrong doing of the former Administration and why the best friend:) of EK was done.) I'd rather spin off your idea,even toss the 76 Park into the mix of helping defray costs of that old Weatherhead/DANA mess clean up (since the 76 Park has been suggested to be sold off for other reasons as well the County has already stepped up to the plate of offering financial aid for the clean up and I guess rightly so for that (if any locals are to get stuck for the billing]...in fact that may be better than using Toll Road lease money)...

[mrs.bass46703]

well, it does not look like my idea of the trines helping us out is going to happen. they must be broke like the rest of us. they can't even afford to run fun spot. i hope they can survive through these tough times.

so, if the city wants to sell, i'll buy it. i think it would be a good investment. i won't pay too much. there is a graveyard next door. that kind of hurts the value. maybe there would be some others interested in it too. they could auction it off to the highest bidder. water clean-up money problem solved.:)

boy your generous got any cash you can throw my way

[michael medeski]

now the city wants an additional $239,000 in federal stimlus money to help make the downtown look pretty. I DON'T UNDERSTAND! why is this more important that our water? are they people that run our city that stupid?

it reminds me of my neighbor that mowes and spends hours in his yard to plant flowers and make it look pretty, but the roof on his house is about to cave in.

i really think the city has their priorites mixed up. either that or a bunch of mentally challenged people run it. maybe both.

[michael medeski]

Michael,
First of all you need to get your facts straight about the water situation, so to get the right facts you need to call this number at the Angola Water Dept.: 665-9363 or use email to water@angolain.org and Water Superintendent Dan Olis can give you the correct facts.

i have called. so please, tell me, what facts are not straight?

[LuciusBeebe]

Ok then tell us what you were told.

You told Mike that he needs to get his facts straight. That puts the onus on you to back up your assertion that he has his facts wrong.

So... Ok then tell us what he has wrong.

[michael medeski]

I find it very offensive when someone makes a comment that the people running our city are stupid. I do see alot of talk on here that do not have the correct facts stated, not just about the city's water,but on alot of issues pertaining to the City of Angola. I do think that before a statement is made however , you should contact the City of Angola, because they are always willing to listen and feel free to ask questions about the issue you have a problem with because I don't know anyone there that isn't willing to help you understand the correct facts.
Everyone who works for the City of Angola knows that they are on call 24 hours a day and they all do their very best to keep the city running at 100%. I'm not gonna debate this anymore And that is all that I'm gonna say on this subject.

i find it very offensive that your calling me a liar. you say there is alot of incorrect facts on here, yet you fail to point them out. i also find it offensive that keep deleting your posts, so that tells me that you either regret what you post, or you don't have a clue what your posting about. please if i made a false statement correct me, if not, take your own advice and shut up.

[HoosierHelen]

I find it very offensive when someone makes a comment that the people running our city are stupid. I do see alot of talk on here that do not have the correct facts stated, not just about the city's water,but on alot of issues pertaining to the City of Angola. I do think that before a statement is made however , you should contact the City of Angola, because they are always willing to listen and feel free to ask questions about the issue you have a problem with because I don't know anyone there that isn't willing to help you understand the correct facts.
Everyone who works for the City of Angola knows that they are on call 24 hours a day and they all do their very best to keep the city running at 100%. I'm not gonna debate this anymore And that is all that I'm gonna say on this subject.

You know what Race Fan...I believed earlier this week that both myself and my employer paid equally into Unemployment Insurance. I was not offended to be corrected. IF you know of invalid information on this website, I would expect you to speak the truth to the issue? Instead, you have made the choice of protecting and being offended by an honest question from the community of Angola? What is that all about?

I'll probably get in trouble for what I'm saying next...however...I feel it needs to be said. You are playing cat and mouse games with this water issue in Angola...if you have knowledge that disputes the reports given in the Journal Gazette, please post them. If not....don't hide behind the administration who has hired you, tell your story as you know it.

[TheBigB]

i also find it offensive that keep deleting your posts, so that tells me that you either regret what you post, or you don't have a clue what your posting about.

Deleting a post that has already gotten a response is the height of weenieness. :eviltongue:

[HomeyG]

Deleting a post that has already gotten a response is the height of weenieness. :eviltongue:

Or like changing the word "retarded" to "mentally challenged" without an apology or at least an explanation.

[james_t]

Or like changing the word "retarded" to "mentally challenged" without an apology or at least an explanation.

I'd think in this case it would be fairly obvious why the post was edited. We've all had times we posted something and then later on realized we could have worded it a bit more tactfully.

[HomeyG]

I'd think in this case it would be fairly obvious why the post was edited. We've all had times we posted something and then later on realized we could have worded it a bit more tactfully.

Fair enough. I just think a little explanation or even an apology would have been appropriate, especially something as sensitive as this.

[michael medeski]

Or like changing the word "retarded" to "mentally challenged" without an apology or at least an explanation.

even though this is off the subject...i sent P.M. apologies to people i thought might be offended. in your case homey, i could care less if you were offended. it was kind of mean to say that about the mentally challenged, the city people might not be that smart. if you have a problem with what i post in the future, P.M. me, don't post something that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

[LuciusBeebe]

Deleting a post that has already gotten a response is the height of weenieness. :eviltongue:

I don't know if "weenieness" is the right word. If its already been quoted, what's the point in editing it?

[HomeyG]

even though this is off the subject...i sent P.M. apologies to people i thought might be offended. in your case homey, i could care less if you were offended. it was kind of mean to say that about the mentally challenged, the city people might not be that smart. if you have a problem with what i post in the future, P.M. me, don't post something that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

If I felt the need for an apology, I would have made it public and not PM a select few. I do like how you went public because you had a problem with my post, yet you tell me I should go P.M. when I have a problem with your post.

[LuciusBeebe]

If I felt the need for an apology, I would have made it public and not PM a select few. I do like how you went public because you had a problem with my post, yet you tell me I should go P.M. when I have a problem with your post.


You PM'ed people because you didn't like what he said?

[HomeyG]

You PM'ed people because you didn't like what he said?

I don't PM anyone unless they PM me. I was told by Michael if I have a problem with the way he posts, I should PM him.

[michael medeski]

I don't PM anyone unless they PM me. I was told by Michael if I have a problem with the way he posts, I should PM him.

i sent people p.m. because i wanted to keep this on topic. i liked your post earlier in this thread about garret, but now it seem like your trying to start an argument. PLEASE lets keep this on topic. how many times do i have to say it. i am begining to think you work for the city. :stupid:

[HoosierHelen]

It sounds like this topic would be a good story for KPC to cover? There are alot of strong opinions in the community and it would be nice to see what the City Administration has to say about people's questions.

There was a story ran by Journal Gazette a while back that I thought covered this topic pretty well, however, the City Administration may have different opinions than what was written in the Journal Gazette?

[michael medeski]

It sounds like this topic would be a good story for KPC to cover? There are alot of strong opinions in the community and it would be nice to see what the City Administration has to say about people's questions.

There was a story ran by Journal Gazette a while back that I thought covered this topic pretty well, however, the City Administration may have different opinions than what was written in the Journal Gazette?

that is a very good idea helen. then the paper could ask the city why we are short money to clean up the site, but have money to plant trees and flowers and get pretty brick inlaid in our sidewalks. one would think there would be money somewhere. i don't understand. i wonder if the city does? do you think it is the state's fault? you would think there would be some grants for the clean-up as well as fixing up the downtown. or use toll road money, or major moves money, or donations. i think this clean-up has to do with fixing up the town. why is it not included?

[james_t]

ANGOLA — City officials say a solution to pollution at the Univertical Corp. site on Weatherhead Street may be at hand.
The Angola City Council will vote tonight on a resolution authorizing participation in the state’s revolving fund loan program for $4 million, Mayor Dick Hickman said. Of the money, $2.5 million would go toward the unsecured balance of the estimated $5.5 million Univertical cleanup. The other $1.5 million would go to sewer repairs.

http://www.fwdailynews1.com/articles/2009/04/06/news/latest/heraldrepublican/hid152806sect_bd01d648f3f4522df1.txt

[HoosierHelen]

ANGOLA — City officials say a solution to pollution at the Univertical Corp. site on Weatherhead Street may be at hand.
The Angola City Council will vote tonight on a resolution authorizing participation in the state’s revolving fund loan program for $4 million, Mayor Dick Hickman said. Of the money, $2.5 million would go toward the unsecured balance of the estimated $5.5 million Univertical cleanup. The other $1.5 million would go to sewer repairs.

http://www.fwdailynews1.com/articles/2009/04/06/news/latest/heraldrepublican/hid152806sect_bd01d648f3f4522df1.txt

It's great to read something positive in the news. This solution (if passed) will surely be a plus for the community.

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It's great to read something positive in the news. This solution (if passed) will surely be a plus for the community.

Trusting what James posted and not going to the site for the rest of it by quickly doing the math it appears the rest of the cash comes from previous promises made. It's sad that Toll Road lease money is to be used but I suppose the Governors thought of doing some cart wheels over it (or in other words about time to break into it:)

[michael medeski]

i hope it all works out. the clean-up and sewer are waaaaay more important. i just hope our city utility bills don't skyrocket, to cover paying back the loan. i guess you can't have it both ways.

[mrs.bass46703]

i hope it all works out. the clean-up and sewer are waaaaay more important. i just hope our city utility bills don't skyrocket, to cover paying back the loan. i guess you can't have it both ways.

don't count on it angola water seems to be made of gold. Every few months it seems they jack up the rates. And for what flowers in the sqaure please!

[evilkumquat]

don't count on it angola water seems to be made of gold. Every few months it seems they jack up the rates. And for what flowers in the sqaure please!

I could be mistaken, but I think the last time they raised the rates was for the garbage portion of the city water bill.

[RaceFan]

I could be mistaken, but I think the last time they raised the rates was for the garbage portion of the city water bill.

You are right Evil, it was the trash pickup part that was raised last time. It won't be too long and the summer sewer discount will kick in May 15th and will go till August 15th.

[mrs.bass46703]

You are right Evil, it was the trash pickup part that was raised last time. It won't be too long and the summer sewer discount will kick in.

good lord i hope so. I checked it out we've got the highest water and sewage rates within 100 miles of hear. I'm not kidding. Even in ft. wayne there average water bill is only 44 dollars for a family of five. mine runs at least 75 and thats with kids sharing bath water which by the way i find digusting.People shouldn't have to do that!:y:

[ebbieday]

good lord i hope so. I checked it out we've got the highest water and sewage rates within 100 miles of hear. I'm not kidding. Even in ft. wayne there average water bill is only 44 dollars for a family of five. mine runs at least 75 and thats with kids sharing bath water which by the way i find digusting.People shouldn't have to do that!:y:

We have four people in our house (used to be five) and we've never had a water bill under $65 (usually higher)...and that is totally separate from our garbage bill which is another $20/month. And, we DON'T share bath water.

[RaceFan]

We have four people in our house (used to be five) and we've never had a water bill under $65 (usually higher)...and that is totally separate from our garbage bill which is another $20/month. And, we DON'T share bath water.

There's two of us in our household and we average between 4 & 5,000 gallons a month. Here's a breakdown of my water bill:
Water:$22.43
Sales Tax:$1.57
Wastewater:$28.16
Stormwater:$3.00
Trash/Recycling:$10.30
Total:$65.46
Of course everyone is different in the amount of water they use for all of their househild needs.



Here's some interesting Fun Water facts:

Fun Water Facts

75 % of the earth is covered with water.

97 % of earth's water is in the oceans.

Only 3 % of the earth's water can be used as drinking water. 75 % of the world's fresh water is frozen in the polar ice caps.

Although a person can live without food for more than a month, a person can only live without water for approximately one week.

The average person in the United States uses 80 to 100 gallons of water each day.
During medieval times a person used only 5 gallons per day.

It takes 2 gallons to brush your teeth, 2 to 7 gallons to flush a toilet, and 25 to 50 gallons to take a shower.

It takes about 1 gallon of water to process a quarter pound of hamburger.

It takes 2,072 gallons of water to make four new tires.

Sources of water pollution include: oil spills, fertilizer and agricultural run-off, sewage, stormwater, and industrial wastes.

Ancient Egyptians treated water by siphoning water out of the top of huge jars after allowing the muddy water from the Nile River to settle.

Hippocrates, known as the father of medicine, directed people in Greece to boil and strain water before drinking it.

In the 1950's scientists began to suspect that water might carry diseases. Although earlier treatment of water could make the water safer, it was mainly done to improve the taste, smell or looks of the water.

The first United States water plant with filters was built in 1872 in Poughkeepsie , New York .

In Altona , Germany in 1892, the water from the Elbe River filtered before drinking.
At the time, hundreds of people from nearby Hamburg (which did not filter their water) died from cholera. The citizens of Altona were untouched by this waterborne disease.

In 1908, Jersey City , New Jersey and Chicago , Illinois were the first water supplies to be chlorinated in the United States .

The Safe Drinking Water Act (SDWA) of 1974 represents the first time that public drinking water supplies were protected on a federal (national) level in the United States . Amendments were made to the SDWA in 1986 and 1996.
The Indiana Department of Environmental Management (IDEM) is responsible for ensuring that Hoosiers have an adequate supply of safe drinking water. The agency carries out this responsibility by requiring each of Indiana 's Public Water Systems (PWS) to comply with all federal and state drinking water rules and regulations.

One gallon of water is equal to 3.785 liters of water.

One cubic foot of water is equal to 7.48 gallons of water.

Water boils at 212 o Fahrenheit or 100 o Celsius.

Water freezes at 32 o Fahrenheit or 0 o Celsius.

[james_t]

An article today about Angola's water supply:

http://www.fwdailynews1.com/articles/2009/04/08/news/latest/heraldrepublican/hid154594sect_bd01d648f3f4522df1.txt

[RaceFan]

An article today about Angola's water supply:

http://www.fwdailynews1.com/articles/2009/04/08/news/latest/heraldrepublican/hid154594sect_bd01d648f3f4522df1.txt

I read it this morning, good article, I hope it clears up alot of questions.

[HoosierHelen]

It sure sounds like sound solutions have been found for this problem. I'm sure everyone in the Angola area are thankful. Great news that Univertical will be remaining in Angola also.

[mrs.bass46703]

There's two of us in our household and we average between 4 & 5,000 gallons a month. Here's a breakdown of my water bill:
Water:$22.43
Sales Tax:$1.57
Wastewater:$28.16
Stormwater:$3.00
Trash/Recycling:$10.30
Total:$65.46
Of course everyone is different in the amount of water they use for all of their househild needs.



Here's some interesting Fun Water facts:

Fun Water Facts

75 % of the earth is covered with water.

97 % of earth's water is in the oceans.

Only 3 % of the earth's water can be used as drinking water. 75 % of the world's fresh water is frozen in the polar ice caps.

Although a person can live without food for more than a month, a person can only live without water for approximately one week.

The average person in the United States uses 80 to 100 gallons of water each day.
During medieval times a person used only 5 gallons per day.

It takes 2 gallons to brush your teeth, 2 to 7 gallons to flush a toilet, and 25 to 50 gallons to take a shower.

It takes about 1 gallon of water to process a quarter pound of hamburger.

It takes 2,072 gallons of water to make four new tires.

Sources of water pollution include: oil spills, fertilizer and agricultural run-off, sewage, stormwater, and industrial wastes.

Ancient Egyptians treated water by siphoning water out of the top of huge jars after allowing the muddy water from the Nile River to settle.

Hippocrates, known as the father of medicine, directed people in Greece to boil and strain water before drinking it.

In the 1950's scientists began to suspect that water might carry diseases. Although earlier treatment of water could make the water safer, it was mainly done to improve the taste, smell or looks of the water.

The first United States water plant with filters was built in 1872 in Poughkeepsie , New York .

In Altona , Germany in 1892, the water from the Elbe River filtered before drinking.
At the time, hundreds of people from nearby Hamburg (which did not filter their water) died from cholera. The citizens of Altona were untouched by this waterborne disease.

In 1908, Jersey City , New Jersey and Chicago , Illinois were the first water supplies to be chlorinated in the United States .

The Safe Drinking Water Act (SDWA) of 1974 represents the first time that public drinking water supplies were protected on a federal (national) level in the United States . Amendments were made to the SDWA in 1986 and 1996.
The Indiana Department of Environmental Management (IDEM) is responsible for ensuring that Hoosiers have an adequate supply of safe drinking water. The agency carries out this responsibility by requiring each of Indiana 's Public Water Systems (PWS) to comply with all federal and state drinking water rules and regulations.

One gallon of water is equal to 3.785 liters of water.

One cubic foot of water is equal to 7.48 gallons of water.

Water boils at 212 o Fahrenheit or 100 o Celsius.

Water freezes at 32 o Fahrenheit or 0 o Celsius.

I don't get charged for trash pick up here. My sewage is the worst part of the bill, but if you say thats going down that will be good

[TheBigB]

I read it this morning, good article, I hope it clears up alot of questions.

Did you have anything to do with that? :hmmmm:

[mrs.bass46703]

I read it this morning, good article, I hope it clears up alot of questions.

Actually is pretty confusing to me and leaves me with more questions than answers?:hmmmm: lots of cover ups in there too!

[ellisjandj]

What a lost cause... Univertical will only contaminate this ground again. they use Cyanide and other checmicals that pollute our envirnoment. They lied about the wages they pay their employees and can't work them more than 32 hours a week due to the fact that they have no business. So why not just throw our money down the drain. Because that is where Univertical is headed. This ground will be recontaminated in 5 years. Chuck Walker the owner of Univertical doesn't care about the environment or his employees, let alone the town. Now I expect the City will decontaminate the former Du-Page Die Cast across the street. If you are going to pay for one pay for them all. Of all the factories the city decided to keep in Angola they pick the worst one. The one that pollutes the environment the most. I am just glad I don't live in Angola and have to pay for this.

[RaceFan]

I don't get charged for trash pick up here. My sewage is the worst part of the bill, but if you say thats going down that will be good

There is a sewer discount every year from May 15th to August 15th.

[RaceFan]

What a lost cause... Univertical will only contaminate this ground again. they use Cyanide and other checmicals that pollute our envirnoment. They lied about the wages they pay their employees and can't work them more than 32 hours a week due to the fact that they have no business. So why not just throw our money down the drain. Because that is where Univertical is headed. This ground will be recontaminated in 5 years. Chuck Walker the owner of Univertical doesn't care about the environment or his employees, let alone the town. Now I expect the City will decontaminate the former Du-Page Die Cast across the street. If you are going to pay for one pay for them all. Of all the factories the city decided to keep in Angola they pick the worst one. The one that pollutes the environment the most. I am just glad I don't live in Angola and have to pay for this.

Did you used to work there? You sound like you have an agenda.

[RaceFan]

Actually is pretty confusing to me and leaves me with more questions than answers?:hmmmm: lots of cover ups in there too!

Water Superintendent Dan Olis is always happy to answer any questions you might have concerning the Angola Water. He's in his office from 7-4 Monday-Friday. 665-9363. I'm sure he could explain to you what you don't understand. He's a really nice guy to talk to.

[james_t]

Update in the Herald today: Sounds like they have the Univertical cleanup worked out.

http://www.fwdailynews1.com/articles/2009/04/23/news/spotlight/heraldrepublican/hid162323sect_bd01d648f3f4522df1.txt

[Love Hunting]

Did you used to work there? You sound like you have an agenda.

A little research would show that you are correct. Agenda and grudge- not the place ellisjandj, grow up.
After reading the information regarding the downtown improvement project on the City of Angola's website, I understand that this project is intended to reduce traffic in downtown Angola by making it less of a shortcut between I69 and I80/90 thru increasing travel time. Also, the improvements are meant to encourage more downtown foot traffic, in turn improving business in down town Angola. I am going to guess that the majority of the businesses are locally owned. Therefore money spent downtown will benefit local taxpayers and residents. Whereas the larger chain stores and fast food restaurants north of town that are mostly owned by large corporations, while benefiting local employees from wages, spend their profit in other towns and cities opening more locations.

[mrs.bass46703]

A little research would show that you are correct. Agenda and grudge- not the place ellisjandj, grow up.
After reading the information regarding the downtown improvement project on the City of Angola's website, I understand that this project is intended to reduce traffic in downtown Angola by making it less of a shortcut between I69 and I80/90 thru increasing travel time. Also, the improvements are meant to encourage more downtown foot traffic, in turn improving business in down town Angola. I am going to guess that the majority of the businesses are locally owned. Therefore money spent downtown will benefit local taxpayers and residents. Whereas the larger chain stores and fast food restaurants north of town that are mostly owned by large corporations, while benefiting local employees from wages, spend their profit in other towns and cities opening more locations.

who the hell cares no ones got any money to spend anyway Angola is a lost cause half the town is on welfare

[JohnBoy44]

who the hell cares no ones got any money to spend anyway Angola is a lost cause half the town is on welfare

you need to get out a little more. we have a very affluent population who own lake homes.

[HomeyG]

you need to get out a little more. we have a very affluent population who own lake homes.

Be nice! Second sentence alone would have gotten your point across.

[JohnBoy44]

Be nice! Second sentence alone would have gotten your point across.

Of all the towns around the area, Angola is pretty far down the list as far as being a lost cause. :withstupid:

[RaceFan]

I've been here since 1980 so I don't think Angola is a lost cause.

[mrs.bass46703]

you need to get out a little more. we have a very affluent population who own lake homes.

i do get out i got my info from welfare in marion It says 72% of astueben counties pop is on assitance so what can you say now?

[armyda]

i do get out i got my info from welfare in marion It says 72% of astueben counties pop is on assitance so what can you say now?

mrs bass. I would like to know who exactly said that and what their position is. I would also like to know what they meant by assistance.

I find it difficult to believe that over 7 in 10 people in Steuben County are on assistance.

[mikem]

When did my street become an Italian tenement in 1920's New York City?


OK, so I am two months behind on my reading, but, whoa, marone!

There were many different ethnic neighborhoods in New York in the 1920s and beyond (you would have a hard time finding Little Italy there today).

So, why pick on the Italians?

[evilkumquat]

OK, so I am two months behind on my reading, but, whoa, marone!

There were many different ethnic neighborhoods in New York in the 1920s and beyond (you would have a hard time finding Little Italy there today).

So, why pick on the Italians?

Because the first two Godfather films are among my favorite movies of all time and I do a decent Marlon Brando impression... and not just because I sweat garlic.

[mikem]

So, to bring this somewhat back on topic, do you think downtown Angola should look like 1920s New York, Italian style?

I could go for the food.

[HoosierHelen]

OK, so I am two months behind on my reading, but, whoa, marone!

There were many different ethnic neighborhoods in New York in the 1920s and beyond (you would have a hard time finding Little Italy there today).

So, why pick on the Italians?

Mike,

Little Italy is still there and flourishing. I visited it a couple of years ago. Food was excellent, the little corner meat markets with all their specials. The apartments over top of the shops with flower boxes. A very charming community.

Chinatown is still there also and we walked from Little Italy to Chinatown. My preference was Little Italy.

[evilkumquat]

So, to bring this somewhat back on topic, do you think downtown Angola should look like 1920s New York, Italian style?

I could go for the food.

*sigh

Would we have to wear hats?

[mrs.bass46703]

mrs bass. I would like to know who exactly said that and what their position is. I would also like to know what they meant by assistance.

I find it difficult to believe that over 7 in 10 people in Steuben County are on assistance.

Indiana division and family and socail services.Marion, indiana.Case worker i think her name was Kesha or something like that.You get someone different every time you call. When i was waiting to be reserted she said thats why it takes so long. So many people our on food stamps its not even funny. And its not just diasabled people or low incomers. People that have lost their jobs are going on as well. Her exact words were "We show 72% of your counties population on stamps thats why your case is held up" Believe or not its reality. Just because people who are not sturgguling don't believe doesn't make it not true!

[pixiegirl]

Indiana division and family and socail services.Marion, indiana.Case worker i think her name was Kesha or something like that.You get someone different every time you call. When i was waiting to be reserted she said thats why it takes so long. So many people our on food stamps its not even funny. And its not just diasabled people or low incomers. People that have lost their jobs are going on as well. Her exact words were "We show 72% of your counties population on stamps thats why your case is held up" Believe or not its reality. Just because people who are not sturgguling don't believe doesn't make it not true!

I do not believe that number.
Did it occur to you that maybe she was just throwing out "immpressive" numbers to justify that the cogs of government turn at an impressive slow rate.

[mrs.bass46703]

I do not believe that number.
Did it occur to you that maybe she was just throwing out "immpressive" numbers to justify that the cogs of government turn at an impressive slow rate.

nope i believe it. I see all kinds of people at the stores swiping their ebt card. No one around here has any money enless they are super rich. The mayor is probably the only one with money hanging out his pockets.{ Just a thought} I just think people are ingonorent to the fact that there are some many people who are poor. People don't want to admit that anyone has to go hunrgy or without a home. swipe it under the rug thats the additude and its the wrong one!

[JohnBoy44]

People don't want to admit that anyone has to go hunrgy or without a home. swipe it under the rug thats the additude and its the wrong one!

where are all these people sleeping?

[pixiegirl]

nope i believe it. I see all kinds of people at the stores swiping their ebt card. No one around here has any money enless they are super rich. The mayor is probably the only one with money hanging out his pockets.{ Just a thought} I just think people are ingonorent to the fact that there are some many people who are poor. People don't want to admit that anyone has to go hunrgy or without a home. swipe it under the rug thats the additude and its the wrong one!

No one is saying there are not poor people in this town, we all know that there are.
I just think you have a warped sence of perception when it comes to the realities of what constitutes "rich"
You said no one around here has any money unless they are super rich, so because my husband and I work, pay our bills, can afford food, housing, and have some money in savings, we are "super rich"? WOW will my hubby be happy to hear that! Now we can buy the mansion and yacht we have been putting off!
As for the mayor, I know him and his wife personally, and although I do not necessarily care for the man or his politics, he does not have "money falling from his pockets" either.

[mrs.bass46703]

No one is saying there are not poor people in this town, we all know that there are.
I just think you have a warped sence of perception when it comes to the realities of what constitutes "rich"
You said no one around here has any money unless they are super rich, so because my husband and I work, pay our bills, can afford food, housing, and have some money in savings, we are "super rich"? WOW will my hubby be happy to hear that! Now we can buy the mansion and yacht we have been putting off!
As for the mayor, I know him and his wife personally, and although I do not necessarily care for the man or his politics, he does not have "money falling from his pockets" either.

nope your just one of the lucky ones you haven;t walked a mile in my shoes i can't even afford to pay attention don't judge me just because your not struggling!

[mrs.bass46703]

where are all these people sleeping?

probably on the streets where else?

[pixiegirl]

nope your just one of the lucky ones you haven;t walked a mile in my shoes i can't even afford to pay attention don't judge me just because your not struggling!

I won't get into my personal history with you, but I have struggled in the past. I had to swallow my pride and get help just to feed my kids.
My point was that you always think that anyone with a dime is rich, and you look down on anyone who has a little something to show for all the hard work that they have done.

[mrs.bass46703]

I won't get into my personal history with you, but I have struggled in the past. I had to swallow my pride and get help just to feed my kids.
My point was that you always think that anyone with a dime is rich, and you look down on anyone who has a little something to show for all the hard work that they have done.

whatever just like i said on the tea party thread everyone rallyed around those people but when i showed up at the request of mike m to give poor people a voice the chicken ****** did not show. As faring as lookin down on people who can make it ,its about time that happens hows it feel to be on the receving end not good huh!

[JohnBoy44]

probably on the streets where else?

homeless sleeping on the streets of angola....really??

[mrs.bass46703]

homeless sleeping on the streets of angola....really??

i don't know just guessing i know we have shelter but it can't possibly hold all the homeless of our town. Isn't it 12 beds or something like that?

[pixiegirl]

whatever just like i said on the tea party thread everyone rallyed around those people but when i showed up at the request of mike m to give poor people a voice the chicken ****** did not show. As faring as lookin down on people who can make it ,its about time that happens hows it feel to be on the receving end not good huh!

Doesn't bother me one bit.
I know where I am and how hard I worked to get here, and to get what I have.
My self worth comes from within. I refuse to let someone els' opinions of me dictate how I feel about myself!
And before you ask, YES I felt the same way when I was struggling years ago. It was the struggle that made me who I am today.
Some of us rise in the face of adversity, while some sit around and wait for others to pull us up.

[mrs.bass46703]

Doesn't bother me one bit.
I know where I am and how hard I worked to get here, and to get what I have.
My self worth comes from within. I refuse to let someone els' opinions of me dictate how I feel about myself!
And before you ask, YES I felt the same way when I was struggling years ago. It was the struggle that made me who I am today.
Some of rise in the face of adversity, while some sit around and wait for others to pull us up.

so if someone can't work than they are just worthless and no one should care i don't know how you can sleep at night saying something like that! Oh well i've got bigger problems don't feel like pleading my case anymore if everyone feels the way that you do its a lost cause. by the way everyone angola sucks i think i'll move

[pixiegirl]

so if someone can't work than they are just worthless and no one should care i don't know how you can sleep at night saying something like that! Oh well i've got bigger problems don't feel like pleading my case anymore if everyone feels the way that you do its a lost cause. by the way everyone angola sucks i think i'll move

That is not even close to what I said!!
Like always mrs.B read into it what you want.
By the way I sleep just fine at night.

[jennyk]

According to official state statistics here (http://www.in.gov/fssa/dfr/2688.htm), in Dec. 2008, 997 households in Steuben County received food stamps. According to the 2000 census, there were 12,738 households. That's a little over 12%, right?

[mrs.bass46703]

According to official state statistics here (http://www.in.gov/fssa/dfr/2688.htm), in Dec. 2008, 997 households in Steuben County received food stamps. According to the 2000 census, there were 12,738 households. That's a little over 12%, right?

2000 that was ages ago. Stueben county isn't that big. my point is our city doesn't care about its citizens you are treated according to your statue

[ebbieday]

so if someone can't work than they are just worthless and no one should care i don't know how you can sleep at night saying something like that! Oh well i've got bigger problems don't feel like pleading my case anymore if everyone feels the way that you do its a lost cause. by the way everyone angola sucks i think i'll move

Mrs. B, I believe what Pixie was saying is we ALL have financial struggles at some point in our lives. It's a choice whether we choose to wallow in it or buck up and take charge in order to change it, as my husband and I have done as well.

And certainly, if you think where you live sucks, you really should find somewhere more appealing to you.

[mrs.bass46703]

Mrs. B, I believe what Pixie was saying is we ALL have financial struggles at some point in our lives. It's a choice whether we choose to wallow in it or buck up and take charge in order to change it, as my husband and I have done as well.

And certainly, if you think where you live sucks, you really should find somewhere more appealing to you.

mines not a struggle thats just temporary its on going there are a lot of people out there who have nothing no one seems to care about these people i see you and pixies point but it does not work that way for everyone

[mrs.bass46703]

Wow...talk about totally uncalled for!! Why the evilness?

because shes pushin that button, This is a forum not a poor bashing site i thnik james should put a stop to this thread before it gets out of control

[james_t]

because shes pushin that button, This is a forum not a poor bashing site i thnik james should put a stop to this thread before it gets out of control

I don't think anyone is bashing the poor - as a matter of fact, their point is they used to be poor.

[mrs.bass46703]

I don't think anyone is bashing the poor - as a matter of fact, their point is they used to be poor.

I don't agree,but i'll let it go.No sense in dragging it out.

[pixiegirl]

because shes pushin that button, This is a forum not a poor bashing site i thnik james should put a stop to this thread before it gets out of control

I was NOT bashing the poor, I was keeping you from bashing those of us who are not.
Yes, let's have James put a stop to something that mrs.B doesn't like.
AND I DO SLEEP WONDERFULLY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCERN

[mrs.bass46703]

I just stopped and thought about it. I feel bad. Pixie i want to say i'm sorry i guess i just need some advice on finances. Its hard when you go to bed hunrgy . But i'm not asking for pity just wanted to say sorry:(

[Wild Iris]

You need to remember when all the planning of the revitalization of the downtown and the grants were applied for, the economy wasn't bad. Right now they will get better prices on the construction and there is possibly some stimulous money available. It's going to happen whether you agree or not. Our community needs to remember that everyone needs to support local business right now. There are alot of local businesses that are hurting because of the chain stores that have came in. We need to support the local businesses from eye doctors, grocery(Scotts is the only semi-local store left), service businesses (hair salons),resturants, and anything else you can think of. If people don't support the small businesses you will see alot more empty store fronts.

[evilkumquat]

You need to remember when all the planning of the revitalization of the downtown and the grants were applied for, the economy wasn't bad. Right now they will get better prices on the construction and there is possibly some stimulous money available. It's going to happen whether you agree or not. Our community needs to remember that everyone needs to support local business right now. There are alot of local businesses that are hurting because of the chain stores that have came in. We need to support the local businesses from eye doctors, grocery(Scotts is the only semi-local store left), service businesses (hair salons),resturants, and anything else you can think of. If people don't support the small businesses you will see alot more empty store fronts.

It's hard to support Scotts when they ran all the smaller local groceries stores out of business, then ran their prices through the roof once they no longer had any competition.

[mrs.bass46703]

It's hard to support Scotts when they ran all the smaller local groceries stores out of business, then ran their prices through the roof once they no longer had any competition.

i know what you mean. Every store in town is jacking up prices because the lakers are here. What about those of us who call this home why should we have to pay the same high prices as out of towners just so the big wigs can make a buck! what a bunch of baloney

[flatbird1]

I just stopped and thought about it. I feel bad. Pixie i want to say i'm sorry i guess i just need some advice on finances. Its hard when you go to bed hunrgy . But i'm not asking for pity just wanted to say sorry:(

I lift up my eyes unto the hills whence cometh my help. (hills of potatoes, hills of beans, hills of melons). Buy a tomato plant and play in the dirt. Good for the soul.

[JohnBoy44]

i know what you mean. Every store in town is jacking up prices because the lakers are here. What about those of us who call this home why should we have to pay the same high prices as out of towners just so the big wigs can make a buck! what a bunch of baloney

stay out of town on the weekends. That's what I do.
A lot of bored rich people and cruisers.

[mrs.bass46703]

I lift up my eyes unto the hills whence cometh my help. (hills of potatoes, hills of beans, hills of melons). Buy a tomato plant and play in the dirt. Good for the soul.

lovely point but what does that have to do with local merchants jacking prices on everything up during laker season.I know the city needs the money but is any of it gonna benefit me as an indiviual or my family?

[mrs.bass46703]

stay out of town on the weekends. That's what I do.
A lot of bored rich people and cruisers.

where do propose i go with little gas money or any money at all for that matter. I have to eat on the weekends. Should i go to the ohio line to buy food?

[ebbieday]

lovely point but what does that have to do with local merchants jacking prices on everything up during laker season.I know the city needs the money but is any of it gonna benefit me as an indiviual or my family?

Mrs. B, did you see my post and link about gardening? A great way to save you and your family a ton of money on food. I'm going to try a bit of it myself.

[mrs.bass46703]

Mrs. B, did you see my post and link about gardening? A great way to save you and your family a ton of money on food. I'm going to try a bit of it myself.

we can't have gardens at northlake,but i chould start one at my parents home in fremont

[ebbieday]

we can't have gardens at northlake,but i chould start one at my parents home in fremont

What about container gardens? It's no different than having a large potted plant. Here's the link again...it's a short, 3 part series.


http://www.wndu.com/16morningnews/headlines/44354567.html

[mrs.bass46703]

What about container gardens? It's no different than having a large potted plant. Here's the link again...it's a short, 3 part series.


http://www.wndu.com/16morningnews/headlines/44354567.html

Might work thanks

[HoosierHelen]

What about container gardens? It's no different than having a large potted plant. Here's the link again...it's a short, 3 part series.


http://www.wndu.com/16morningnews/headlines/44354567.html

Great idea ebbieday...I'm going to try those hanging tomatoes this year myself. I have found a good place for them. God knows it will beat paying the prices at the markets! And they will taste better too.

[JohnBoy44]

Great idea ebbieday...I'm going to try those hanging tomatoes this year myself. I have found a good place for them. God knows it will beat paying the prices at the markets! And they will taste better too.

I heard on the wowo gardening show that upside down tomatoes is just a gimmick. I wouldn't do all of them upside down, just a few to see how well it works.

[kingster]

Grey told me he didn't have much luck with them.I have nieghbors doing them that I am watching.I bought 2 tomatoe plants from the Huntertown Elemtery(sp) school mothers day sale and put them in pots.If I screw up it went to a good cause.I got my Mom a nice Fern there too!

[mikem]

I attended the downtown Angola fundraiser on Friday at Sutton's Deli and didn't notice any upsidedown tomatoes. There were tomatoes of some sort on the food table/spread.

BTW, it wasn't a waste of time or money (as in the topic of this thread).

And the beer was very good. Great job by Gay's and Sutton's and Five Star Distributors.

Can't wait until this project gets going and is completed ... so people will stop *****ing about it before it ever begins.

[michael medeski]

i'm starting to see a trend here. they had one at the moose. then they have one at suttons, but they don't carry booze, so they had to have the gay boys bring it in. i think whoever organizes these things has a drinking problem or maybe that the citys way of getting them to donate more money. get everyone nice and wasted first, then ask for the money. sounds like a bunch of lushes. they might as well hold it at skips or mccools. someone needs an intervention.

edit: maybe we should change the title of the thread, and shorten it to just "is angola wasted?"

[angel79]

Very Nice.

[mrs.bass46703]

mike em how come you never responed to my p.m."s afraid if you really came face to face with a hood rat and puiblished her story you whould be shunned by the city?

[mikem]

mike em how come you never responed to my p.m."s afraid if you really came face to face with a hood rat and puiblished her story you whould be shunned by the city?

Missed the PM.

And I didn't see you on the square. I didn't know I was supposed to ask every woman out there at 11 a.m., "Are you Mrs. Bass?"

[RaceFan]

mike em how come you never responed to my p.m."s afraid if you really came face to face with a hood rat and puiblished her story you whould be shunned by the city?

That's kinda low isn't it!

[mikem]

i'm starting to see a trend here. they had one at the moose. then they have one at suttons, but they don't carry booze, so they had to have the gay boys bring it in. i think whoever organizes these things has a drinking problem or maybe that the citys way of getting them to donate more money. get everyone nice and wasted first, then ask for the money. sounds like a bunch of lushes. they might as well hold it at skips or mccools. someone needs an intervention.

Sutton's does hold an Indiana three-way license. When Sutton's caters events, they often serve various forms of adult beverages because they have a license to do so.


edit: maybe we should change the title of the thread, and shorten it to just "is angola watsed?"

What does "watsed" mean?

So, why do you guys have a problem with improving the downtown? Don't you realize that this project will provide many jobs? Particularly if Obama is handing out money, why not see some of it get used here?

As far as the fund raisers go, no one is forced to attend. All of the private money donated thus far has been done without threat, without collusion.

If you want to live in a h e l l hole, fine, just don't take me along for the ride.

[michael medeski]

What does "watsed" mean?


being the editor of a paper you would think one would know slang for being intoxicated. wikipedia can answer many of the things you don't know. you should try it.

edit: sorry, james pointed out that you were just editing me. must be habit.

[RaceFan]

Sutton's does hold an Indiana three-way license. When Sutton's caters events, they often serve various forms of adult beverages because they have a license to do so.



What does "watsed" mean?

So, why do you guys have a problem with improving the downtown? Don't you realize that this project will provide many jobs? Particularly if Obama is handing out money, why not see some of it get used here?

As far as the fund raisers go, no one is forced to attend. All of the private money donated thus far has been done without threat, without collusion.

If you want to live in a h e l l hole, fine, just don't take me along for the ride.

Thank-You Mike Very Well said!

[mikem]

being the editor of a paper you would think one would know slang for being intoxicated. wikipedia can answer many of the things you don't know. you should try it.

edit: sorry, james pointed out that you were just editing me. must be habit.

OK, so we're all good on the fact that "watsed" is not a word and you can't even find it on wikipedia? Or in the dictionary.

That was low hanging fruit ... sorry.

I know I make my share of mistakes ... in print.

My formative years were in the late '60s and '70s ... I know what the word watsed, or wasted, means.

-M

[michael medeski]

So, why do you guys have a problem with improving the downtown? Don't you realize that this project will provide many jobs? Particularly if Obama is handing out money, why not see some of it get used here?

If you want to live in a h e l l hole, fine, just don't take me along for the ride.

i don't have a problem with fixing up the downtown, but i hate to hear the city complain how they are short money for things. like i said we did not see a "clean water fundraiser". it seems like they only thing they are focused on is the mound. IT LOOKS FINE. why waste the money. it will not make shoppers magically show up. people will not buy in town if you can get a better deal somewhere else or online. why dump money into brick, flowers, and trees when there is other thing the town needs money for. but i guess if they have the extra money to blow then why not. it does not look like a "h e l l hole" to me.

[michael medeski]

Thank-You Mike Very Well said!

Appeal to flattery is a fallacy in which a person uses flattery, excessive compliments, in an attempt to win support for their side. Appeals to flattery are sometimes described by pejorative phrases, such as "suck-up", "***-kisser", or "brown-noser".

Flattery is often used to hide the true intent of an idea or proposal. Praise offers a momentary personal distraction that can often weaken judgement. Moreover, it is usually a cunning form of appeal to consequences, since the audience is subject to be flattered as long as they comply with the flatterer.

[blue adept]

Appeal to flattery is a fallacy in which a person uses flattery, excessive compliments, in an attempt to win support for their side. Appeals to flattery are sometimes described by pejorative phrases, such as "suck-up", "***-kisser", or "brown-noser".

Flattery is often used to hide the true intent of an idea or proposal. Praise offers a momentary personal distraction that can often weaken judgement. Moreover, it is usually a cunning form of appeal to consequences, since the audience is subject to be flattered as long as they comply with the flatterer.

Thank you Michael, very well said!:rimshot:

[RaceFan]

Appeal to flattery is a fallacy in which a person uses flattery, excessive compliments, in an attempt to win support for their side. Appeals to flattery are sometimes described by pejorative phrases, such as "suck-up", "***-kisser", or "brown-noser".

Flattery is often used to hide the true intent of an idea or proposal. Praise offers a momentary personal distraction that can often weaken judgement. Moreover, it is usually a cunning form of appeal to consequences, since the audience is subject to be flattered as long as they comply with the flatterer.

Hey that's just your opinion, Just because I agree with Mikem doesn't make me a suck up or any of the other names you used. Besides that most of the stuff you say on here is negative,Why?
Besides if the money is avaiable through grants and from fund raising to fix up the up town why not use it? If we don't use it for that purpose someone else will.

If you won the lottery, would you just give the money back because people shouldn't be spending their money on lottery tickets in the first place because of the hard times?

[michael medeski]

here is an example of what i mean. i copied this from WLKI's web site. this is the county, but maybe if they did not have to give the city $1 million for the clean-up they might have been ok.


Steuben County Faces Budget Shortfall
Wednesday, May 13, 2009

(ANGOLA) - Steuben County department heads will have to cut 3% from their 2009 appropriated budgets after the Indiana Department of Local Government Finance determined the County has a budget shortfall of nearly $1 million. County Auditor Pam Coleman told the County Council on Tuesday morning that over $321,000 in the County general fund budget will have to be cut to help get the 2009 spending plan down to just over $11 million. The budget also took a hit from dropping interest rates. Instead of getting $500,000 in interest, the county will only get about $18,000. Council member Linda Hansen said changes in school funding have been a factor as well. Coleman explained that the Highway Department budget has to be trimmed by $268,000 and there also has to be a $75,000 cut for local streets and roads. Department heads will have to submit proposed cuts to Coleman by May 22nd. The County Council will then go over the budget during a special meeting on May 28th.



you hear stuff like this about the city's budget and shortfalls for different things that they need, then they use that as an excuse to raise taxes. sure use the grant money to fix things up with it if that is all you can do with it, but shouldn't they be holding fundraisers for more important things?

[HoosierHelen]

here is an example of what i mean. i copied this from WLKI's web site. this is the county, but maybe if they did not have to give the city $1 million for the clean-up they might have been ok.


Steuben County Faces Budget Shortfall
Wednesday, May 13, 2009

(ANGOLA) - Steuben County department heads will have to cut 3% from their 2009 appropriated budgets after the Indiana Department of Local Government Finance determined the County has a budget shortfall of nearly $1 million. County Auditor Pam Coleman told the County Council on Tuesday morning that over $321,000 in the County general fund budget will have to be cut to help get the 2009 spending plan down to just over $11 million. The budget also took a hit from dropping interest rates. Instead of getting $500,000 in interest, the county will only get about $18,000. Council member Linda Hansen said changes in school funding have been a factor as well. Coleman explained that the Highway Department budget has to be trimmed by $268,000 and there also has to be a $75,000 cut for local streets and roads. Department heads will have to submit proposed cuts to Coleman by May 22nd. The County Council will then go over the budget during a special meeting on May 28th.



you hear stuff like this about the city's budget and shortfalls for different things that they need, then they use that as an excuse to raise taxes. sure use the grant money to fix things up with it if that is all you can do with it, but shouldn't they be holding fundraisers for more important things?

Michael, your questions seem valid to me. I don't live in Stuben county and am not familiar with all their immediate needs. Highway funds and local streets and roads seems to me to qualify for consideration under the new Obama stimulus plans. I wonder if someone has submitted a request for funds under this new program?

I do not have a problem with people attending fund raising events to improve the center focus of the city of Angola and the mound, those funds being raised are obviously being donated voluntarily by the community who supports that effort. I have no problem with that.

The highway funds and local streets certainly need to not be ignored. Hopefully the local government in Stuben county will find their way to tap into new funds available through the stimulus plan...I read here recently where most of the spending is going to areas who do not have the high unemployment rate that we have here. Let's change that!!

[mrs.bass46703]

That's kinda low isn't it!

nope i don't think anyone in the mayors office wants to admit they have citizens that have no homes and if they do they can't even feed or clothe themselves! Driving trough town you get the empression that angola is a nice place. I'm not so sure

[RaceFan]

nope i don't think anyone in the mayors office wants to admit they have citizens that have no homes and if they do they can't even feed or clothe themselves! Driving trough town you get the empression that angola is a nice place. I'm not so sure

Angola is a nice place to live. There are homeless people in every town in the US.

[mrs.bass46703]

Angola is a nice place to live. There are homeless people in every town in the US.

duh you totally missed my point. Our city doesn't have much to offer for low incomers. Its all about the lakers in the summer raking in the big bucks. The new project help is a joke. They are now gonna start charging for clothes and won't give you extra food enless you get less than fifty bucks a person in food stamps. Whats the point of having a food and clothes pantry if some of the stuff cost money. Lagrange and some other surrounding counties don't charge for clothes. Doesn't make sense??

[JohnBoy44]

duh you totally missed my point. Our city doesn't have much to offer for low incomers. Its all about the lakers in the summer raking in the big bucks. The new project help is a joke. They are now gonna start charging for clothes and won't give you extra food enless you get less than fifty bucks a person in food stamps. Whats the point of having a food and clothes pantry if some of the stuff cost money. Lagrange and some other surrounding counties don't charge for clothes. Doesn't make sense??

what are you squawking about? most lakers don't liver here and pay more in property taxes than some people make in a year.

What do you mean "Lakers in the summer raking in the big bucks"?

[mrs.bass46703]

what are you squawking about? most lakers don't liver here and pay more in property taxes than some people make in a year.

What do you mean "Lakers in the summer raking in the big bucks"?

every year around this time all the stores jack up their prices than after labor day the prices go back down. Our city and county realy on the money the lakers spend each summer in our town. Take for instance the time they shut down lake james because of high water that almost sunk{no pun intended} some of our local businesses.

[JohnBoy44]

. Our city and county realy on the money the lakers spend each summer in our town..

you say that and then decry the lakers. why do you bite the hand that feeds you?

[mrs.bass46703]

you say that and then decry the lakers. why do you bite the hand that feeds you?

how do they feed me?? they don't know me and probably whould not want to! Wonder what they say when they drive past northlake oh honey look there's the angola slums or hood depending on where they come from!

[JohnBoy44]

how do they feed me?? they don't know me and probably whould not want to! Wonder what they say when they drive past northlake oh honey look there's the angola slums or hood depending on where they come from!

maybe if you had a business or a job that depended on rich spending lakers you wouldn't mind them. What do they owe you?

[mrs.bass46703]

maybe if you had a business or a job that depended on rich spending lakers you wouldn't mind them. What do they owe you?

nothing but it is not right that i have to pay more for a gallon of gas or loaf of bread in the summer because of them. If there are so many of them how come businesses can't make money without raising prices?

[RaceFan]

nothing but it is not right that i have to pay more for a gallon of gas or loaf of bread in the summer because of them. If there are so many of them how come businesses can't make money without raising prices?

I'm guessing that any tourist town is like that. We go to Gattlinburg and Pigeon Forge,TN. alot and I'm sure they also jack up their prices in the summer when the tourist's come to town. We also go to the area of Mooresville and Charlotte,NC. alot and I know the prices go down in the winter because we've been to both places I've mentioned in the winter as well and it is cheaper for motels and etc.
I'm sure some of those people who live there year round think the same thing.
So unless you can move to a small town that's not tourist related, I'm not sure there's anything that can be done about it.
And when we travel through the Viginia coal mine towns we don't say hey there's the people who live poorly, we know they work very hard for what they have and we respect them for that.
A life is what you make of it.

[mrs.bass46703]

I'm guessing that any tourist town is like that. We go to Gattlinburg and Pigeon Forge,TN. alot and I'm sure they also jack up their prices in the summer when the tourist's come to town. We also go to the area of Mooresville and Charlotte,NC. alot and I know the prices go down in the winter because we've been to both places I've mentioned in the winter as well and it is cheaper for motels and etc.
I'm sure some of those people who live there year round think the same thing.
So unless you can move to a small town that's not tourist related, I'm not sure there's anything that can be done about it.
And when we travel through the Viginia coal mine towns we don't say hey there's the people who live poorly, we know they work very hard for what they have and we respect them for that.
A life is what you make of it.

whatever:ridinghorse:

[JohnBoy44]

whatever:ridinghorse:

What stores "jack up" the price of bread, by the way?

[RaceFan]

whatever:ridinghorse:

So I guess you don't agree with me.

[kingster]

most walmarts have set prices that don't change much. With meijers if thats how it's spelled down the road I can't see them raising prices due to competition.

[michael medeski]

here is another waste of time for the city and money for the college

from WLKI.....

City Council Passes Kinney Vacation Ordinance on Second Reading
Tuesday, May 19, 2009

(ANGOLA) - The second reading of an ordinance that will vacate Kinney between Moss and Park was approved Monday night by the Angola City Council but everything has not been ironed out between the city and Trine University. The university wants two blocks of Kinney vacated so green space can be put in. In passing the ordinance on second reading, the Council agreed to remove restrictions from it. The restrictions are now included in an agreement between the city and Trine. Part of the agreement calls for Trine to build a fire lane to serve all of the resident halls in the area. Council Member Dave Martin said there was still one issue that had to be resolved before the ordinance is approved on third reading. Martin said a fraternity on Kinney must deed the property to the university and that a letter of intention has to be presented to city officials.


why? one would think a road would be more useful especially to the people that live around there and use that road. why the hell waste time and money for a "green space". i guess the city will save money in road maintenance. i wish i had enough money to make my street a green space. i wonder how much that takes?

[mrs.bass46703]

So I guess you don't agree with me.

not that i don't totally agree i don't suppose you have never been called white trash?

[RaceFan]

not that i don't totally agree i don't suppose you have never been called white trash?

Actually I have been called worse, but alot of the time I consider the source.
A person needs to move on. Back in 1990 my world collapsed when I went thru a divorce. It made my life a living hell. It forever changed my life with my two Sons.
The details aren't important to discuss on here,but I had to move on.
It took every bit of energy to get out of bed in the mornings because of the depression.
Finally I had to make a decision to either die right then or get my act together.
I decided life was to important to just waste.
So 19 years later with a wife ,three step kids, My two Sons and 6 Grandchildren later I made the right decision.

[mrs.bass46703]

Actually I have been called worse, but alot of the time I consider the source.
A person needs to move on. Back in 1990 my world collapsed when I went thru a divorce. It made my life a living hell. It forever changed my life with my two Sons.
The details aren't important to discuss on here,but I had to move on.
It took every bit of energy to get out of bed in the mornings because of the depression.
Finally I had to make a decision to either die right then or get my act together.
I decided life was to important to just waste.
So 19 years later with a wife ,three step kids, My two Sons and 6 Grandchildren later I made the right decision.

okay i guess i'll just do that move on By the way i like your mm"s race car!!

[RaceFan]

okay i guess i'll just do that move on By the way i like your mm"s race car!!

See that's all you have to do, is find your place in life and try to be good at it. That's what matters. I bought that MM's car at one of the swap meet vendors over at the Kruse auction a couple of years ago and just took a photo of it and reduced the photo. It's a pretty good size car and I have it sitting on a shelf .

[michael medeski]

i just hope our city utility bills don't skyrocket, to cover paying back the loan. i guess you can't have it both ways.


i'm quoting myself. did i call it or what? the city is already wanting to raise the sewer rates to help pay for the clean-up. so, i guess it's our fault that place is a toxic dump. not the stupidity of the city for letting it get out of hand. univertical receives a tax break and our sewer bills go up. thanks angola. this is a great way to help people out in these hard times. i'll be willing to bet that the rates will not go back down when the loan is paid back either.

[JohnBoy44]

i'm quoting myself. did i call it or what? the city is already wanting to raise the sewer rates to help pay for the clean-up. so, i guess it's our fault that place is a toxic dump. not the stupidity of the city for letting it get out of hand. univertical receives a tax break and our sewer bills go up. thanks angola. this is a great way to help people out in these hard times. i'll be willing to bet that the rates will not go back down when the loan is paid back either.

how much is your sewer bill? it;s 8o bucks around the lakes.

[michael medeski]

how much is your sewer bill? it;s 8o bucks around the lakes.

i believe they base it off how much water you use. it sucks that we have to pay for someone's mistake. at least we are getting that median put in. i don't know what we would do without that.

[Thorman]

Make sure that you put the blame on the Univertical plant problem on the people whose fault it is. Dana polluted the site for years and IDEM allowed it. When Univertical bought the empty building, Dana and IDEM agreed to keep the containment process going. IDEM never forced Dana to clean up its pollution. When Dana declared bankrupcy (born-again virgin), all IDEM requested from the bankrupcy judge was some worthless shares of Dana stock, not continued containment or payments to clean up the mess. IDEM sold the residents of Angola down the river for years; the City of Angola is trying to pick up pieces.

The median project downtown that you are complaining about has nothing to do with the Univertical clean-up. The utility bills may go up because the City is trying to fix sewer lines that are collapsing or in danger of collapsing because many of them are clay and/or were installed during the 1930s-1950s period. The state is going to repave US 20 next year so does it not make sense to get the sewer lines fixed before the repaving? The City is simply trying to deal with the Univertical cleanup and sewer problems with the potential increase in utility bills. Again the median project is not being paid for by the utility increase proposed by the city.

[RaceFan]

To get the actual facts you could go to a Council meeting or listen to the meetings via the internet at http://www.angolain.org/PublicBoards.htm

The meetings take place on the First and third Monday of each month at 7:00 p.m. at City Hall, Room 201, 210 North Public Square. Exceptions: Tuesday, January 20; Tuesday, February 17; and Tuesday, September 8.

[michael medeski]

Again the median project is not being paid for by the utility increase proposed by the city.

i never said that. i'm saying angola has their priorities screwed up. the road works just fine the way it is, but our water does not work just fine. what one to fix first?:hmmmm: i understand that grants can be used to help improve the roads and downtown and that is where it should stop. WHY WASTE THE MONEY WHEN THERE IS MORE IMPORTANT THINGS? the city does not have to worry when they can just raise bills and taxes to make up for it and anything else they want to waste money on. it's a simple fix for them, but not for the people that get to pay for it the rest of their lives here.

so now it's all IDEMS fault? it sounds like the city should have sued dana. like you said they are the ones that started it. now it too late because dana holds no responsibility. if the city knew there was a problem, why did it get put off for so long? i put most of the blame on dana, but the city knew about it also. are you saying there is nothing the city can do when someone is polluting?

i don't mind paying for getting the sewer fixed, but when they raise your bill to pay for someone's screw-up, it seems hard to justify. do you think it will go back down when things are paid off? that's not how it works. so, what is the excuse for the high bills when things do get paid off?


To get the actual facts you could go to a Council meeting

racefan. i do go. please inform me, with all of your "actual facts", what facts i have wrong. just because you work for the city, and i don't, does not make my facts wrong and yours right. (do i have to remind you of the BMV thread?) maybe your the one that needs to get his facts straight. here is a fact..... THE CITY WANTS TO RAISE OUR SEWER RATES TO HELP PAY FOR A MISTAKE SOMEONE ELSE MADE. not just for new sewers.

[JohnBoy44]

i don't mind paying for getting the sewer fixed, but when they raise your bill to pay for someone's screw-up, it seems hard to justify.

Angola's sewer system needs work. it's been overflowing into the pigeon river for decades. If i have to pay 80/month so do you.

[michael medeski]

If i have to pay 80/month so do you.

do you have to pay for every gallon of crappy city water you use too.

[JohnBoy44]

do you have to pay for every gallon of crappy city water you use too.

i have a well I had to pay to drill.

[michael medeski]

i have a well I had to pay to drill.

exactly. you get all your water for free without the headache of a septic tank. that would be worth $80 to me. i can't drill. i believe it is against code. the city has a monopoly on water here in town. i would have had a well drilled years ago if they would let me. well water tastes better than city water, is cheaper than city water and i'm sure it is cleaner.

so i don't think you have any room to complain about your $80 bill when you get all the fresh, clean, water you want for free. or are you just complaining to be a jerk.

[JohnBoy44]

exactly. you get all your water for free without the headache of a septic tank. that would be worth $80 to me. i can't drill. i believe it is against code. the city has a monopoly on water here in town. i would have had a well drilled years ago if they would let me. well water tastes better than city water, is cheaper than city water and i'm sure it is cleaner.

so i don't think you have any room to complain about your $80 bill when you get all the fresh, clean, water you want for free. or are you just complaining to be a jerk.

i had no problem with my septic tank and no 80/month bill.
I was doing fine. If I'm going top be charged extra for keeping the waterways clean then so are you. The fact of the matter is angola's system has never been any good and has always been neglected.

[michael medeski]

i had no problem with my septic tank and no 80/month bill.
I was doing fine. If I'm going top be charged extra for keeping the waterways clean then so are you. The fact of the matter is angola's system has never been any good and has always been neglected.

by headache i mean by having to get it dug up or drained. are you going to have the same happy-go-lucky attitude if you get forced to buy city water. are you telling me you can't wait for the city to get their water to you?

i want the sewer fixed. i know a bunch of people that have drain problems because of the city's sewers. i just don't think we should pay for the clean-up on top of that.

[JohnBoy44]

by headache i mean by having to get it dug up or drained. are you going to have the same happy-go-lucky attitude if you get forced to buy city water. are you telling me you can't wait for the city to get their water to you?

i want the sewer fixed. i know a bunch of people that have drain problems because of the city's sewers. i just don't think we should pay for the clean-up on top of that.

so what is your average sewer bill now?
I never had probs with my septic tank or leach bed.
You can install pipes to make pumping carefree if you need to.

[michael medeski]

so what is your average sewer bill now?


what is your average water bill?

[JohnBoy44]

what is your average water bill?

80/month. what's yours?

[michael medeski]

80/month. what's yours?

on top of your $80 sewer bill? that is expensive.

[JohnBoy44]

on top of your $80 sewer bill? that is expensive.

dirty water or clean water, what is your bill?

[michael medeski]

dirty water or clean water, what is your bill?

more than $80. you don't seem understand what i mean. THE PRICE IS GOING UP. my bill varies every month. it is never the same. i know your upset because you had to hook up to city sewer. it's too bad that you were not allowed to opt out if you wanted. your bill has nothing to with the city water bill. do you think everyone should pay the same in property tax? how much is your house payment?

[JohnBoy44]

more than $80.?

ouch!! quit wasting it I guess

[michael medeski]

ouch!! quit wasting it I guess

it does not seem fair that you get free water when i have to pay for it. maybe the city should regulate all the homes with wells that are hooked up to city sewer and charge you to use water. that would be fair according to your logic....."If i'm going to be charged extra than so are you." right?

[JohnBoy44]

it does not seem fair that you get free water when i have to pay for it. maybe the city should regulate all the homes with wells that are hooked up to city sewer and charge you to use water. that would be fair according to your logic....."If i'm going to be charged extra than so are you." right?

or maybe you should be allowed to drill a well. are you allowed to?
I'm not hooked up to city sewer. there is a treatment plant over by flint.

[blue adept]

so what is your average sewer bill now?
I never had probs with my septic tank or leach bed.
You can install pipes to make pumping carefree if you need to.

Are you sure you were not midnighting?

[michael medeski]

or maybe you should be allowed to drill a well.

finally something we can agree on. maybe i should just do it secretly. the city will never know.;)

[blue adept]

Make sure that you put the blame on the Univertical plant problem on the people whose fault it is. Dana polluted the site for years and IDEM allowed it. When Univertical bought the empty building, Dana and IDEM agreed to keep the containment process going. IDEM never forced Dana to clean up its pollution. When Dana declared bankrupcy (born-again virgin), all IDEM requested from the bankrupcy judge was some worthless shares of Dana stock, not continued containment or payments to clean up the mess. IDEM sold the residents of Angola down the river for years; the City of Angola is trying to pick up pieces.

The median project downtown that you are complaining about has nothing to do with the Univertical clean-up. The utility bills may go up because the City is trying to fix sewer lines that are collapsing or in danger of collapsing because many of them are clay and/or were installed during the 1930s-1950s period. The state is going to repave US 20 next year so does it not make sense to get the sewer lines fixed before the repaving? The City is simply trying to deal with the Univertical cleanup and sewer problems with the potential increase in utility bills. Again the median project is not being paid for by the utility increase proposed by the city.

IDEM didn't used to have any teeth!

[RaceFan]

i never said that. i'm saying angola has their priorities screwed up. the road works just fine the way it is, but our water does not work just fine. what one to fix first?:hmmmm: i understand that grants can be used to help improve the roads and downtown and that is where it should stop. WHY WASTE THE MONEY WHEN THERE IS MORE IMPORTANT THINGS? the city does not have to worry when they can just raise bills and taxes to make up for it and anything else they want to waste money on. it's a simple fix for them, but not for the people that get to pay for it the rest of their lives here.

so now it's all IDEMS fault? it sounds like the city should have sued dana. like you said they are the ones that started it. now it too late because dana holds no responsibility. if the city knew there was a problem, why did it get put off for so long? i put most of the blame on dana, but the city knew about it also. are you saying there is nothing the city can do when someone is polluting?

i don't mind paying for getting the sewer fixed, but when they raise your bill to pay for someone's screw-up, it seems hard to justify. do you think it will go back down when things are paid off? that's not how it works. so, what is the excuse for the high bills when things do get paid off?



racefan. i do go. please inform me, with all of your "actual facts", what facts i have wrong. just because you work for the city, and i don't, does not make my facts wrong and yours right. (do i have to remind you of the BMV thread?) maybe your the one that needs to get his facts straight. here is a fact..... THE CITY WANTS TO RAISE OUR SEWER RATES TO HELP PAY FOR A MISTAKE SOMEONE ELSE MADE. not just for new sewers.

Go back and read the BMV post. I was asking if what I heard was true,not stating that it was true. And I wasn't saying that you in particular have your facts incorrect, but sometimes things on here get bent way out of shape. And whether I work for the city or not I usually just try to point people in the right direction to get info. You very rarly see me post anything negative about anyone or anything.

[Thorman]

[QUOTE=michael medeski;45041]i
so now it's all IDEMS fault? it sounds like the city should have sued dana. like you said they are the ones that started it. now it too late because dana holds no responsibility. if the city knew there was a problem, why did it get put off for so long? i put most of the blame on dana, but the city knew about it also. are you saying there is nothing the city can do when someone is polluting?

i don't mind paying for getting the sewer fixed, but when they raise your bill to pay for someone's screw-up, it seems hard to justify. do you think it will go back down when things are paid off? that's not how it works. so, what is the excuse for the high bills when things do get paid off?


Thorman's response:

Dana's bankrupcy prevents the city from suing the company for its wrongdoing. As I said before, bankrupcy of a company makes them a born-again virgin. They now are scot-free of any liability for their pollution. The state (IDEM) had the complete control of the site's fate, not Angola or the county. Univertical had an agreement with IDEM and Dana that also was washed out. The City was, unfortunately, not involved in anything until it was too late to do something. State government trumps local govt; bankrupcy trumps everything.

[michael medeski]

The City was, unfortunately, not involved in anything until it was too late to do something. State government trumps local govt; bankrupcy trumps everything.

it seems like everyone involved is to blame. what a load of crap. it sucks we end up paying for it in the end. i have an idea......the city should file bankruptcy. like you said "it trumps everything". problem solved.

[angolagirlmisty]

exactly. you get all your water for free without the headache of a septic tank. that would be worth $80 to me. i can't drill. i believe it is against code. the city has a monopoly on water here in town. i would have had a well drilled years ago if they would let me. well water tastes better than city water, is cheaper than city water and i'm sure it is cleaner.

so i don't think you have any room to complain about your $80 bill when you get all the fresh, clean, water you want for free. or are you just complaining to be a jerk.

Well water isn't free. Those folks in the country have to pay to maintain and run a pump to get that water from below the ground into the house. Power outage=no water. In a desperate times we city dwellers can live without electricity for months and still do just fine. I wouldn't recommend it but have seen people do it when money was tight. Those country folk couldn't even take a cold bath if they did that. It all balances out in the end.

[JohnBoy44]

Well water isn't free. Those folks in the country have to pay to maintain and run a pump to get that water from below the ground into the house. Power outage=no water. In a desperate times we city dwellers can live without electricity for months and still do just fine. I wouldn't recommend it but have seen people do it when money was tight. Those country folk couldn't even take a cold bath if they did that. It all balances out in the end.

you can hand pump a well, misty. Or hook up a 500 dollar generator

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[RaceFan]

you can hand pump a well, misty. Or hook up a 500 dollar generator

http://www.fao.org/docrep/010/ah810e/AH810E55.gif

At $2.58 a gallon for fuel to run a generator versus Electricity, lets see how that balances out. I know my 7000 watt generator with the 10hp engine will run for aprox. 11 hours on the 5-gal tank.
And in the city you aren't paying for the water itself,you are paying for the service of getting it to you. The filtration , the treatment, and the distribution.

[michael medeski]

And in the city you aren't paying for the water itself,you are paying for the service of getting it to you. The filtration , the treatment, and the distribution.

blah blah blah. it's cheaper to have a well no matter how you look at it.

edit: not if you plan on running it with a generator all the time. that would only be needed for a power outage.

[evilkumquat]

blah blah blah. it's cheaper to have a well no matter how you look at it.

I pay the water bill here in Angola for several entities.

The average per household is anywhere from $30-50 per month.

Again, this is what I personally see.

I would rather pay the $50 per month for treated water (and efficient sewer) than put up with wells that run dry (it happens), pumps that break (and require fuel to run), a water softener (owned or rented- both take regular salt deliveries) and a septic system that can break (or requires regular pumping).

[michael medeski]

I would rather pay the $50 per month for treated water (and efficient sewer) than put up with wells that run dry (it happens), pumps that break (and require fuel to run), a water softener (owned or rented- both take regular salt deliveries) and a septic system that can break (or requires regular pumping).

you can buy lifetime electric pumps. yes, they can go dry, but my grandparents has lasted over 50yrs. the septic would be a pain in the butt, but i don't want one of those.

i used to know a guy that cable drilled them for a living. his right arm was like popeye's from holding the cable all the time. he would do one cheap too.:hmmmm:

[HoosierHelen]

I pay the water bill here in Angola for several entities.

The average per household is anywhere from $30-50 per month.

Again, this is what I personally see.

I would rather pay the $50 per month for treated water (and efficient sewer) than put up with wells that run dry (it happens), pumps that break (and require fuel to run), a water softener (owned or rented- both take regular salt deliveries) and a septic system that can break (or requires regular pumping).

Yes, Evil, you got it right again. In Spencerville, we had to change to a public sewer system about 10 yrs ago. It runs us around $50 a month. Now we had a perfectly fine (and brand new septic system) when this new law passed that everyone in Spencerville had to convert.

OK...we are all on well water over here and if my neighbor's sewer is possible of screwing with the quality of my well water....it's worth $50 a month to be sure all sewage is making it to a safe place. SO WE PAY.

NOW..we are left with a fine country style of well water. Problem is that in Spencerville, we have an extremely high iron content in our well water. SO....we purchase a top of the line water softner from Kinetco. About $1700 is what I believe we paid for the water softner. NOW....every week....we spend $20 on salt to feed the sucker!! (YES....our water has an extreme amount of iron).

Rural living does not come cheap if you want white laundry and clean water in NE Indiana. :)

[JohnBoy44]

At $2.58 a gallon for fuel to run a generator versus Electricity, lets see how that balances out. I know my 7000 watt generator with the 10hp engine will run for aprox. 11 hours on the 5-gal tank.
And in the city you aren't paying for the water itself,you are paying for the service of getting it to you. The filtration , the treatment, and the distribution.

right. and how long do you lose power usually?

[HoosierHelen]

right. and how long do you lose power usually?

This generator thing is on my 'Honey Do' list. I WANT ONE!!