Area unemployment...

[ebbieday]

I keep reading where the unemployment in this area is rising, yet my husband can't get ANYONE to fill a position that has been open and available for two or three months! Not to mention the several other positions open at their other locations so I don't understand. The jobs don't pay a ton, but they are jobs with very good benefits with a company that treats their good employees well. Hmmm...

[LuciusBeebe]

The jobs don't pay a ton

How much does it pay?

[ebbieday]

How much does it pay?

The one at plant that my husband manages starts at $11.00/hr...3rd shift...10:00p - 6a. The other plants he is not sure about. All hired through Pro Resource on Spy Run in Ft Wayne.

[NurseRita]

I keep reading where the unemployment in this area is rising, yet my husband can't get ANYONE to fill a position that has been open and available for two or three months! Not to mention the several other positions open at their other locations so I don't understand. The jobs don't pay a ton, but they are jobs with very good benefits with a company that treats their good employees well. Hmmm...

Ebbie, where is this position located?

[ebbieday]

Ebbie, where is this position located?

I sent you a PM with the info.

[hairypumper]

The one at plant that my husband manages starts at $11.00/hr...3rd shift...10:00p - 6a. The other plants he is not sure about. All hired through Pro Resource on Spy Run in Ft Wayne.

Here's my take on it. $11.00 for 40 hours is $440.00. After taxes you take home about $300.00 to $330.00. Figure in gas, depending on how far you have to travel, that could be $50.00 a week or more. Child care is another major expense. Third shift requires you to sleep during the day, you can't sleep and watch kids at the same time. Many people don't trust companies that use temp services, all too often they lay you off the day before your permanent hire in. Most places the temp to hire is 90 days, and you don't receive benefits until after the 90 days. Maybe the company should try going through Workforce Development.

[ebbieday]

Here's my take on it. $11.00 for 40 hours is $440.00. After taxes you take home about $300.00 to $330.00. Figure in gas, depending on how far you have to travel, that could be $50.00 a week or more. Child care is another major expense. Third shift requires you to sleep during the day, you can't sleep and watch kids at the same time. Many people don't trust companies that use temp services, all too often they lay you off the day before your permanent hire in. Most places the temp to hire is 90 days, and you don't receive benefits until after the 90 days. Maybe the company should try going through Workforce Development.

However, not everyone has kids that need tending to during the day, so take away the lack of sleep and child care expense for a large part of the population. There are plenty of single guys who live at home who would appreciate $11.00/hr. Not to mention anyone trying to help support their family that might be at the end of their extensions. Any dollars are more than no dollars. How long do you have to wait to get a raise and benefits through unemployment? Do you deny that there are those who WANT to be out of work and stay on unemployment? I have met them and they make no bones about the easy money. Just trying to help someone who really wants a job and is having trouble finding one.

[hairypumper]

However, not everyone has kids that need tending to during the day, so take away the lack of sleep and child care expense for a large part of the population. There are plenty of single guys who live at home who would appreciate $11.00/hr. Not to mention anyone trying to help support their family that might be at the end of their extensions. Any dollars are more than no dollars. How long do you have to wait to get a raise and benefits through unemployment? Do you deny that there are those who WANT to be out of work and stay on unemployment? I have met them and they make no bones about the easy money. Just trying to help someone who really wants a job and is having trouble finding one.

Grrrooowlll!!! I was just trying to make the point that for most people $11.00 an hour is not economically feasable. Do you deny there are those who CAN'T AFFORD to take a job that pays less than unemployment? There are those who abuse all entitlement programs, but they are the vast minority. If this job hasn't been filled it's not because of the pay, it's because of the job.

[LuciusBeebe]

my husband can't get ANYONE to fill a position

Is it that he can't find anyone that will stay in the position, or he can't find anyone that wants to try it out?

It sounds like a decent gig, moneywise. What kinda' work are we talking here?

[ebbieday]

Is it that he can't find anyone that will stay in the position, or he can't find anyone that wants to try it out?

It sounds like a decent gig, moneywise. What kinda' work are we talking here?

He says it's really both as far as the problem. Hot in the summer, cold in the winter, you're inside and outside. Skid steers, cranes, forklifts, payloaders, hands-on sorting, etc. It's one of the smaller facilities so everyone pretty much trains for all jobs in the event someone takes some time off. In a nutshell, easy job in all weather conditions.

[LuciusBeebe]

Wierd. Doesn't sound all that bad. Maybe pro resources needs to get its act together.

Has he tried fort wayne help wanted dot com?

[ebbieday]

Wierd. Doesn't sound all that bad. Maybe pro resources needs to get its act together.

Has he tried fort wayne help wanted dot com?

That could be part of the problem. Another problem is that all of the initial hiring process is now done at the corporate level and he no longer gets a face to face interaction until they have cleard the felony, drug test, background check hurdles. He is not sure what all sources they are using at this time. He just knows about the two temp services.

[HoosierHelen]

Sounds like a reasonable job for a single person with no children. Anyone trying to support a family with the need to pay for childcare would most likely find themselves to be in the red after working a week.

Honestly, unemployment will net them more to stay at home without the childcare expense. Yes, I feel the gush of negativitity coming at me behind that remark. I am simply an observer of these condition...I didn't create them.

The benefits that come with the job would normally be something to sway families to take a job, knowing that the income will not cover their monthly financial needs. Now, if you have minors, it seems there are programs that offer your children in Indiana free health care if your parents are of low income/no income.

So now, we are left with employers offering jobs at a wage that can't compete with unemployment wages. What is the head of household's decision going to be...hire a caregiver to take care of my children while I go to work and bring home less than I do now on unemployment?

Please remember, anyone who is drawing unemployment is someone who has a history of employment...we really are not talking about deadbeats. Our local citizens used to be able to earn an income that would support them and their families. Jobs that pay $11 hr are great for those who are single and only responsible for supporting themselves. I do believe there are plenty of single people who should be knowlegable about this job that Ebbie is talking about.

Also, what Hairy mentioned earlier, I must agree with. I was unemployed for an extended period of time. I intentionally avoided any temporary hiring positions. The only thing one does is expose themselves to loosing a job in 90 days and also loosing the unemployment benefits (which they have earned). An ex-coworker of my husbands had a terrible experience with that. He had worked for 25 yrs, tried to do the right thing and take a job offered by a temp agency. They let him go just under 90 days and he never drew ANY unemployment benefits. NO way would I go through a temp agency.

[hairypumper]

He says it's really both as far as the problem. Hot in the summer, cold in the winter, you're inside and outside. Skid steers, cranes, forklifts, payloaders, hands-on sorting, etc. It's one of the smaller facilities so everyone pretty much trains for all jobs in the event someone takes some time off. In a nutshell, easy job in all weather conditions.

This sounds a lot like the job I took. (At a 60% pay cut from my previous job) Is there any overtime available? That was a major factor in choosing to accept the position, along with proximity to home, (2 miles) and the benefit package.

[ebbieday]

This sounds a lot like the job I took. (At a 60% pay cut from my previous job) Is there any overtime available? That was a major factor in choosing to accept the position, along with proximity to home, (2 miles) and the benefit package.

At this particular location they have been working five 10-hour days and some Saturdays for months. Another of their plants has been on five 8-hour days with many weekends for OT. But, as with any job, OT is never a gaurantee... the industry just happens to be doing very well at this time.

[hairypumper]

At this particular location they have been working five 10-hour days and some Saturdays for months. Another of their plants has been on five 8-hour days with many weekends for OT. But, as with any job, OT is never a gaurantee... the industry just happens to be doing very well at this time.

Now I'm perplexed. The overtime, though not guarenteed, should make the pay attractive to anyone needing a job. I feel for your hubby, when corporate gets involved it creates nothing but headaches for local managers.

[ebbieday]

Grrrooowlll!!! I was just trying to make the point that for most people $11.00 an hour is not economically feasable. Do you deny there are those who CAN'T AFFORD to take a job that pays less than unemployment? There are those who abuse all entitlement programs, but they are the vast minority. If this job hasn't been filled it's not because of the pay, it's because of the job.

Hairy, all I can say to this is that up until this past March I worked for years as office manager in the same type of industry, including HR. I can tell you that without a doubt, during the time they had overtime available almost every week, before the economy really took a dump, the only guys that would come in and work 60-70 hours a week were the Hispanic guys. Every week, without fail, when I did payroll those guys had the most hours. I remember Helen mentioning a while back about how smart her co-workers from India are and that it's no surprise that our jobs are going overseas. The same can be said for many of our factory workers. The younger generation does not have the same work ethic that we were raised with. I can't remember my Dad or my husband ever calling in sick to work. My Dad worked two jobs most of the time I was growing up...that's a full time and a part time job so my Mom could stay home with us kids. But things were much different back then. I don't know if it's the horrible drug problem in this area or just lack of will, but I had guys come into the office and ask me about points and then call off the next day because they had something they wanted to do instead of come to work or because it was an extremely hot or cold day. My husband had a great employee at his plant...until it started to get cold. Then the guy just completely screwed off and got fired. He tells me about this kind of thing all the time. You can't say it's just a problem with the job...it's also a problem with certain people.

[LuciusBeebe]

In this economy, in the fort wayne area, it shouldn't be a problem to fill the position.

Something is awry in this tale.

[ebbieday]

In this economy, in the fort wayne area, it shouldn't be a problem to fill the position.

Something is awry in this tale.

LB, I have a step brother-in-law who QUIT his good paying, truck driving job last May because he and his wife missed each other too much! He didn't really even look for a job all summer because her mother paid their bills! They have two kids. I know this mentality exists because I've seen it.

[hideaway70]

You can't say it's just a problem with the job...it's also a problem with certain people.

Could be a little of both maybe? $11.00 an isn't horrible, but it's not enough to get anywhere. Nonetheless, you'd think someone would be willing, considering the lack of opportunities out there.

Money isn't the only consideration though. Back in my days in the RV industry, I saw uncountable numbers of people who just weren't ready for exactly how hard the work was, regardless of the huge paychecks. Many would call it quits within the first hour. Is this position just particularly unpleasant?

[LuciusBeebe]

Right, I'm not doubting that there are lazy people out there. I'm just saying that there are many more non-lazy people out there. And considering the size of fort wayne, not to mention the surrounding communities, it just seems unbelievable that they can't get help.

My current employer has a steady stream of temps, and that's just the coldwater area.

Maybe its just the third shift thing. I don't know, it just doesn't jive is all I'm saying. 11 bucks an hour... hundred thousand people in fort wayne.... Its unbelievable that they don't have any takers.

Which is why you started the thread.


Is this position just particularly unpleasant?

The last temp job I had was about 11 years ago. Cold Heading, in Fremont. 12 hour shift. Big crates with bolts of 2 different lengths. Sort bolts. 12 hours. 7pm-7am.

It was like some sort of psychological experiment.

[ebbieday]

Could be a little of both maybe? $11.00 an isn't horrible, but it's not enough to get anywhere. Nonetheless, you'd think someone would be willing, considering the lack of opportunities out there.

Money isn't the only consideration though. Back in my days in the RV industry, I saw uncountable numbers of people who just weren't ready for exactly how hard the work was, regardless of the huge paychecks. Many would call it quits within the first hour. Is this position just particularly unpleasant?

I can't speak to that, but a lot of the guys that work there have been there for years. I realize that not everyone is cut out for tough, foundry or factory work that includes working in inclement conditions, but they've been trying to hire for these positions for months.

[ebbieday]

Right, I'm not doubting that there are lazy people out there. I'm just saying that there are many more non-lazy people out there. And considering the size of fort wayne, not to mention the surrounding communities, it just seems unbelievable that they can't get help.

Maybe its just the third shift thing. I don't know, it just doesn't jive is all I'm saying. 11 bucks an hour... hundred thousand people in fort wayne.... Its unbelievable that they don't have any takers...

Yes, exactly.

[HoosierHelen]

Ebbie,

The topic you raise might inform many of us as to the true state of our local workforces.

Many are wary of Temp Services (myself included) for very good reasons. If employers would hire directly through WorkForce One, I would have greater confidence in applying for a position. I've never hired through a temp, however, I've heard enough experiences to cause me to NEVER apply to one. Employees are tired of holding hope for a full time position and discovering after 80 days that meeting all the job requirements means nothing. They are loosing their job. Why? Because the Temp Service can supply the Employer with another minimum wage (or close to) employee with no benefits for the next 90 days. Benefits are a significant cost to employers...this is how they avoid that cost when dealing with a non-skilled job position. This is also why they are finding no one applying for these positions. In the past they could fill them with illegals...now they face significant penalities if they do so.

Ebbie, your husband's company may have every intention of giving these temp hires a full time position after 90 days and that is GREAT! The employees looking for work have been stung so many times by the users of this system, they are most hesitant to stick their necks out again. Especially those who are currently receiving Unemployment Benefits.

Think about it from their perspective. There is no guarantee of benefits and employment after the 1st 90 days of paying your dues, your past experience in doing this has disappointed you repeatedly...what would you do?

No offense against your husband's company...they did not earn the reputation of the temps, but are probably not getting applications due to the temps reputation.

[ebbieday]

...Ebbie, your husband's company may have every intention of giving these temp hires a full time position after 90 days and that is GREAT! The employees looking for work have been stung so many times by the users of this system, they are most hesitant to stick their necks out again. Especially those who are currently receiving Unemployment Benefits.

No offense against your husband's company...they did not earn the reputation of the temps, but are probably not getting applications due to the temps reputation...

No offense taken...it's not his call. Your post is true, to a point, but there are other reasons they are having trouble. I worked closely with a few temp services at my previous job and I can tell you that a large number of these guys can't even get a second look by the temp svcs for one of a few reasons. 1) They can't pass the drug test. 2) They have a felony against them. 3) They have worked for the temp svc in the past and either quit on them or were fired...and they won't take these guys back after something like that. I even saw guys that would pass the drug test, get hired in after their 90 days and then start screwing up bad. They get hurt on the job, they go for an automatic drug test and fail. If they burn those bridges, it's too bad for them.

I am not talking about people from yours or my generation here...it's mostly the younger guys who could care less if they work or not. We even had one young guy who admitted that he only took the job with us because he wanted to collect unemployment again. He worked there for ONE week, quit and immediately filed. The company fought it and he lost. Smart move, huh?

At any rate, my husband would much rather not use the temp services. He likes to see these guys face to face and get some kind of read rather than letting corporate make that choice for him. But, he doesn't have that luxury. There are always two sides to the temp service issue. I personally don't care for them, but most factories are using them now so what can ya do?

[tdl_auburn]

If the Democrats ever let unemployment run out, people will be tearing down doors looking for work. The Security provider I work for had 18 interviews lined up when benefits were about to run out. When Obama extended their benefits, not a single person showed up for those interviews. Right now we struggle to get quality officers because the only people applying for work are of retirement age who just want the insurance, extra money to cover thier co pays, extra money for vacations, or to spend on their grand kids.

I've seen contracts where a client is charged $11.80/hr and pay the officer $8.00 of that. Profit for the provider would then be $3.80/hr. That profit goes into providing uniforms, insurance, training, and paying the salaries of branch office and corporate employees. Clients don't want to pay much more than that for security in most situations but complain because they end up with retirees and kids ages 18-22. I'm 35...rare to find in security (I'm above the $8 pay rate-just sayin').

I would imagine it's the same kind of situation for this thread. Auburn has a large industry employee base. Mostly guys 30+ who are used to making over $20/hr, because they were part of unions, won't except anything that pays less. Now that those union jobs arn't there anymore, other companies are paying people what the jobs are worth (as they always have) and not the ungodly amount factories pay for labor. Can you imagine how much groceries would cost if stores had to pay their employees over $20 an hour? My point is that if people want a job where they're making more, they need to make themselves more valuable to a company and apply for jobs that the average joe can't do. Otherwise, you come "a dime a dozen" and just aren't worth the expense.

[Todd Ianuzzi]

. I can tell you that without a doubt, during the time they had overtime available almost every week, before the economy really took a dump, the only guys that would come in and work 60-70 hours a week were the Hispanic guys. Every week, without fail, when I did payroll those guys had the most hours. .

Almost to a person, people that I talk with that hire and use general labor prefer Hispanics over Anglos because of their work ethic, family orientation, and lower rates of drug abuse. I have heard this since the late 1990s.

[Todd Ianuzzi]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/20/business/economy/20temp.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

I just saw this. It is about the reluctance of businesses to hire permanents workers and the growth in temps.

[LuciusBeebe]

If the Democrats ever let unemployment run out, people will be tearing down doors looking for work.

And then when the few spots are taken, the rest will starve. Meanwhile, the desparation will change that $11/hr job into an $8/hr job.

But yeah, darn democrats!

[Night Owl]

If the Democrats ever let unemployment run out, people will be tearing down doors looking for work. The Security provider I work for had 18 interviews lined up when benefits were about to run out. When Obama extended their benefits, not a single person showed up for those interviews. Right now we struggle to get quality officers because the only people applying for work are of retirement age who just want the insurance, extra money to cover thier co pays, extra money for vacations, or to spend on their grand kids.


The way to fix this, is to allow employers to report to the State. If someone doesn't show up for an interview, it is reported. If they are hired, and don't show up for first day, it is reported. Strike one, two and three (within say 90 days?) lose benefits for five years. Things would change pretty quick!

[LuciusBeebe]

Auburn has a large industry employee base. Mostly guys 30+ who are used to making over $20/hr, because they were part of unions, won't except anything that pays less.

Yeah, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that's not true. You've bought in to the anti-union myth so hard that you don't believe that anyone in Auburn believes in working? Come on, TDL. A guy that is used to making $20/hr isn't going to be comfortable on unemployment wages. He doesn't want to sell his bass boat. Also, a lot of the guys making union wages are hard workers. Believe what you want, but union shops have a bunch of good guys.


My point is that if people want a job where they're making more, they need to make themselves more valuable to a company and apply for jobs that the average joe can't do. Otherwise, you come "a dime a dozen" and just aren't worth the expense.

Don't you work in security? Because you're talking an awful lot about "average joes" and union guys and "dime a dozen".

The jobs that the average joe can't do require degrees. So I guess your advice is to simply go get a degree. Huh. Hadn't thought of that.

[tdl_auburn]

The way to fix this, is to allow employers to report to the State. If someone doesn't show up for an interview, it is reported. If they are hired, and don't show up for first day, it is reported. Strike one, two and three (within say 90 days?) lose benefits for five years. Things would change pretty quick!I don't like the idea of the government regulating everything under the sun; gives them too much control of how people run their businesses. And the government has proven pretty poor at managing anything. For example: Look at how they messed up the funding for rebuilding Afganistan. Millions, possibly Billions, of dollars redirected to other projects, some possibly stolen through fraud? I don't get why people want the government to fix their problems when the government can't even get itself together and be responsible with the tasks they already have. If they can't regulate themselves, how can they be expected to regulate us.
Yeah, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that's not true. You've bought in to the anti-union myth so hard that you don't believe that anyone in Auburn believes in working? Come on, TDL. A guy that is used to making $20/hr isn't going to be comfortable on unemployment wages. He doesn't want to sell his bass boat. Also, a lot of the guys making union wages are hard workers. Believe what you want, but union shops have a bunch of good guys.A lot of them are good guys. I have friends that are part of the UAW. But these are also the same guys that groan constantly that they're not making enough money. In their case, I'd say they can't afford their lifestyle and need to make cut back in that area, instead of expecting their employer to pay them more to cover the blunders they've made with their finances. Over the years when a new employee is hired as part of the union one of the first things he does is goes and buys a new vehicle. Then when he's laid off and can't afford the payments anymore he squeels. Every shop I've worked that has a union, the maintenance guys do one or 2 jobs and then hide the rest of the day...
The jobs that the average joe can't do require degrees. So I guess your advice is to simply go get a degree. Huh. Hadn't thought of that.Why not? I have a bachelor's degree and a master's. I also sign up for training at my own expense that the client and my employer don't require as a means of making myself more valuable. In February I'll be taking over a client site as an Account Manager in Angola instead of just being a site supervisor. People have gotten away from self improvement these days. They just want things handed to them. It's sickening. People need to specialize in one or two things and stop relying on their employers to give them all the training they'll need. Building a resume shouldn't stop just becuase someone is employed.

[LuciusBeebe]

I'm sorry, all I heard was, "everybody but me is lazy, stupid and greedy."

As an aside, you have a master's to work security?

[michael medeski]

I'm sorry, all I heard was, "everybody but me is lazy, stupid and greedy."

that seems to be his motif.

[tdl_auburn]

I'm sorry, all I heard was, "everybody but me is lazy, stupid and greedy."Not everybody, just those that are.
As an aside, you have a master's to work security?One doens't need a master's to work security, nor is there such a program. I have a masters in the adminstration of justice and security.

[LuciusBeebe]

One doens't need a master's to work security, nor is there such a program. I have a masters in the adminstration of justice and security.

Where does one get a master's in the administration of justice and security?

[tdl_auburn]

Where does one get a master's in the administration of justice and security?Why, are you interested in getting one?

[LuciusBeebe]

Why, are you interested in getting one?

No, I've never heard of it. I am curious as to who offers it.

[tdl_auburn]

No, I've never heard of it. I am curious as to who offers it.University of Phoenix (Arizona) http://www.phoenix.edu/programs/degree-programs/criminal-justice-and-security/masters/ms-ajs/v001.html

[LuciusBeebe]

Their website is pretty vague, it says you can get that master's in 1-3 years. How long did it take you?

[michael medeski]

Their website is pretty vague

36 credit hours or 18 credits a semester.

[hideaway70]

I don't like the idea of the government regulating everything under the sun; gives them too much control of how people run their businesses. And the government has proven pretty poor at managing anything.

I keep hearing this kind of thing from the right and I just don't quite understand why. In my opinion, this dream you have that if the government would just let everyone self-police then the world would be rosey is ridiculous. People, especially we Americans, are focused on our own self-interests. If there weren't goverment intervention at some point, we would have employers paying workers as little as they could absolutely get away with, with no regard for benefits or safety.

Tough, right? They should just get a degree, because they are free after all. Maybe a student loan- no that's a government handout and therefore evil.

Even the most radically anti-government among us would sit in a corner and cry without the benefits the intrusive government has given them, much of it as a result of organized labor, whether they would admit that or not. Enjoy your 40 hour work weeks and overtime pay...

[tdl_auburn]

Their website is pretty vague, it says you can get that master's in 1-3 years. How long did it take you?Right around 2 1/2 years. University of Phoenix is a nationally accreditied school. If you're trying to find an arguement to discredit the degree you'll fail.

[LuciusBeebe]

I'm quite familiar with the university of phoenix online.

Why do you think I'm trying to discredit the degree? Because I've never heard of it, or because you got a Master's degree in less than 3 years?

[tdl_auburn]

I keep hearing this kind of thing from the right and I just don't quite understand why. In my opinion, this dream you have that if the government would just let everyone self-police then the world would be rosey is ridiculous. People, especially we Americans, are focused on our own self-interests. If there weren't goverment intervention at some point, we would have employers paying workers as little as they could absolutely get away with, with no regard for benefits or safety.There are, actually, some good government programs out there. I just don't think the answer to every problem is more government regulation. Why? Because they do such a poor job of regulating because they already try to regulate so much. All this does is require more jobs in governement resulting in the syphoning of more and more tax dollars. Every time they try to regulate something they end up with a massive document
Tough, right? They should just get a degree, because they are free after all. Maybe a student loan- no that's a government handout and therefore evil.I took out student loans to get both my bachelor's and master's. The only thing that makes them evil is the massive interest you pay on them and it's difficult to get them to work with you when you're having trouble making payments. I'm not saying people should get a degree to get a job. I'm saying if they don't want to work minimum wage jobs than they need to take training courses or get degrees to get the higher pay jobs. And I'm not saying all government programs are bad. I just don't think the answer is always more regulation. The governmen't ain't your daddy.


Even the most radically anti-government among us would sit in a corner and cry without the benefits the intrusive government has given them, much of it as a result of organized labor, whether they would admit that or not. Enjoy your 40 hour work weeks and overtime pay...Unions have done a lot of good things and continue to do some good things. But they also complicate things beyond what is necessary. I was taught that if I pass a piece of trash, I pick it up and throw it in a recepticle. But eeeeh, can't do that in a union shop, someone will file a grievance. It's not like the person goes out of their way to find the trash, not taking it upon themself to mop the floor, vaccuum the carpet, clean a window, or reorganize an entire department. It's maybe 1 piece of trash a week. The Union I deal with now isn't bothered with someone picking up a piece of trash but some that I've dealt with go completely overboard about it.

[james_t]

Because I've never heard of it, or because you got a Master's degree in less than 3 years?

Three years (or 2-1/2) doesn't seem too out of line with what I remember of grad school. Had I finished my master's (I got 12 hours done and then changed careers) I think I would have wrapped it up in about three years, and that was with a traditional program and working full-time.

[LuciusBeebe]

I was banging out 15-18 credit hours per semester at TriState, for a 4 year EE, later changed to computer science. 2.5 years sounds really short to me.

But we're getting sidetracked. I'm still puzzled as to why one would bother getting a masters in security when he says they have no applicants.

[tdl_auburn]

I'm quite familiar with the university of phoenix online.

Why do you think I'm trying to discredit the degree? Because I've never heard of it, or because you got a Master's degree in less than 3 years?The tone of your questions. My instructors included a current congressman, retired law enforcement administators, attornies, military officers, and security executives. I was "in class" every day, unlike a traditional class that might meet 2-3 times a week (if that). Essays were due every week (a royal pain in the butt). That's why I finished sooner.

[tdl_auburn]

I was banging out 15-18 credit hours per semester at TriState, for a 4 year EE, later changed to computer science. 2.5 years sounds really short to me.

But we're getting sidetracked. I'm still puzzled as to why one would bother getting a masters in security when he says they have no applicants.When high profile clients look for leadership in secuirty it helps when one has a Master's Degree. I was thinking of the future...and it payed off because my next gig was awareded primarily because of that master's degree.

[TheBigB]

I was banging out 15-18 credit hours per semester at TriState, for a 4 year EE, later changed to computer science. 2.5 years sounds really short to me.

Are you guys talking about the time it takes to get a bachelor's degree THROUGH a master's, or just a master's degree alone?

[ebbieday]

...I am not talking about people from yours or my generation here...it's mostly the younger guys who could care less if they work or not. We even had one young guy who admitted that he only took the job with us because he wanted to collect unemployment again...

My husband got a call from one of the temp services this morning to tell him that they had a message on their machine when they got in today from a potential employee saying that he cannot take the job because he wanted to dissolve the rest of his unemployment money before he takes a job. I am sure he will be reported since that is not how it works. *sigh*

[james_t]

Are you guys talking about the time it takes to get a bachelor's degree THROUGH a master's, or just a master's degree alone?

I presumed tdl was talking about just a master's.

[tdl_auburn]

Are you guys talking about the time it takes to get a bachelor's degree THROUGH a master's, or just a master's degree alone?
I presumed tdl was talking about just a master's.My bachelor's degree is actually in Theatre Performance...rather worthless in this area. I graduated from Huntington U. Took me 9 years because I transfered between Jackson Community College, Tri-State (no matter what they call it now; Trine?), and Huntington College (now University). The Masters, I buckled down and worked my butt off to complete as quickly as I could. You have to maintain a 3.0 to get a masters which differs a lot from the 2.0 you have to maintain for a bachelors. So combined, it took me almost 12 years to get the level of education I have now. Plus 5 years inbetween.

[TheBigB]

I presumed tdl was talking about just a master's.

I did, too, but I was too scared to point that out directly to LB. 2-3 years is pretty typical for masters degrees in most fields, at most of your traditional universities.

[LuciusBeebe]

So combined, it took me almost 12 years to get the level of education I have now. Plus 5 years inbetween.

You could've gotten a doctorate in security for all that time. Maybe even minored in metal detection. With a double bachelors in frisking. I'm not sure how they'd handle the frisking through an online course....


I did, too, but I was too scared to point that out directly to LB. 2-3 years is pretty typical for masters degrees in most fields, at most of your traditional universities.

Its been a loooooong time since I was there, I may be misremembering, to quote Clemens.

[james_t]

I did, too, but I was too scared to point that out directly to LB.

I'm pretty sure he doesn't bite, and if he did, that he has all his shots.


2-3 years is pretty typical for masters degrees in most fields, at most of your traditional universities.

That's what I thought - four for a bachelor's and two for a master's (maybe less) if you do grad school full-time.

[Night Owl]

I don't like the idea of the government regulating everything under the sun; gives them too much control of how people run their businesses. And the government has proven pretty poor at managing anything.

First: two of three reply quotes from thread #32 are attributed to me. Only the first one is mine. No idea where the other one came from, (requiring a degree). I take credit for what I say, but please do not put words in my mouth. :fight:

In response to the above reply to my quote:
I didn't say it should be required for businesses to respond, that would be a burden, but businesses should be able to have the option to file reports. The case Ebbieday reported is a perfect example.

[HoosierHelen]

My husband got a call from one of the temp services this morning to tell him that they had a message on their machine when they got in today from a potential employee saying that he cannot take the job because he wanted to dissolve the rest of his unemployment money before he takes a job. I am sure he will be reported since that is not how it works. *sigh*

Some people seem to need to learn the hard way...apparently this fellow is one of them. Pretty sure he will be knocking on the temp's doors very quickly once the unemployment runs out.

I do still have a problem with how the temp employers treat their temp employees like disposable paper towels...90 days and you are usually out. It would be great if those who met the requirements of the job were honestly offered the permanent job after 90 days. Occasionally, it does happen that a temp is offered a full time position, but that is not the norm. (especially in manufacturing jobs).

[LuciusBeebe]

Are you guys talking about the time it takes to get a bachelor's degree THROUGH a master's, or just a master's degree alone?

I was talking about bachelor's through masters. I didn't know how U of P Online ran things.

[tdl_auburn]

I was talking about bachelor's through masters. I didn't know how U of P Online ran things.I believe the basic requirement was that you had to already have a bachelor's degree from an accredited school and 2-3 years experience in the field the master's was in.