Soap on a Rope for Rove?

[edeevee]

The issue, as I understand it, is whether or not high level former presidential aides can ignore subpoenas and be exempt from appearing before congress.

http://sendkarlrovetojail.com/

I vote 'no'. Our government was set up as a system of checks and balances to prevent one branch from claiming too much power. If the White House can claim Executive Privilege on anything it doesn't want to deal with -- who is to restrain them?

Anyone else have an opinion on the matter?

[evilkumquat]

This current administration has been one long ignoring of the laws of the land.

The only hope we have of bringing Rove, Cheney, et al to justice is to increase the number of Democrats in Congress, replace Pelosi and Reid with leaders that won't bow to the GOP, and keep McCain out of the Oval Office.

[hairypumper]

This current administration has been one long ignoring of the laws of the land.

The only hope we have of bringing Rove, Cheney, et al to justice is to increase the number of Democrats in Congress, replace Pelosi and Reid with leaders that won't bow to the GOP, and keep McCain out of the Oval Office.

I would rather see McCain with a Dem controlled congress. One side with absolute power is scary. The more I learn about Obama, the less I trust him.

[evilkumquat]

I would rather see McCain with a Dem controlled congress. One side with absolute power is scary. The more I learn about Obama, the less I trust him.

Ordinarily I would agree with you, especially seeing what happened with the first six years of the Idiot.

However, it will take some radical legislation to help recover from the incredible mess in which the Idiot has left this country, necessitating more simpatico between the Executive and Legislative branches... especially when appointing members to the Judiciary.

It is likely our country is going to be suffering from the Idiot's mismanagement for DECADES from his judicial appointments alone.

[happygolucky]

I would rather see McCain with a Dem controlled congress. One side with absolute power is scary. The more I learn about Obama, the less I trust him.

Bingo. Osama i mean obama can't be trusted. At first I really did like what he had to say, but after doing some research on him i was shocked at what he has said in the past.

McCain with Democratic congress could be good for the country.

[happygolucky]

Ordinarily I would agree with you, especially seeing what happened with the first six years of the Idiot.

However, it will take some radical legislation to help recover from the incredible mess in which the Idiot has left this country, necessitating more simpatico between the Executive and Legislative branches... especially when appointing members to the Judiciary.

It is likely our country is going to be suffering from the Idiot's mismanagement for DECADES from his judicial appointments alone.

BUSH is suffering from Clinton's mismanagement. Your response will be "oh the country was never in this bad of shape with Clinton.....blah blah blah.....

Bush is taking care of what Clinton had the chance to do and failed to do it because he was a liberal wuss. Just like Bush jr did in taking care of his fathers mistake in not taking care of Sadam back in 89.

If anything he has cleaned up 12 years of mistakes in 8 with Clinton and 4 with Sr Bush.

[bigbass]

What specifically did he clear up? Your a great one for calling me on my memory, Tell me o great one WHAT did he clear up! All he has done is put money in his cronies pockets. Get several thousand Americans killed, and put us in debt for the next 50 years. If you are so hip on his policies, join the military and put your life on the line.

1) He cleared up whether we should be driving SUV's or Scooters.
2) He cleared up whether I will vote republican again or not. (Not to be considered an endorsement for Obama, I'm writing in Alfred E. Neuman)

Thats it.

[troublesome one]

Clinton just lined his own pockets by handing out pardons for donations to his "library".

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...,98756,00.html

Clinton cronies cashed in as well during and after his time in office.

Clinton had two chances to kill Bin Laden but he failed to pull the trigger both times. Once when he was expelled from Sudan and refueling his plane in the UAE and another time in Afghanistan.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/17/in...a/17osama.html

(Please note that I pulled documentation from the unimpeachable high publications of liberalism:Time & NY Times, not some far-right rag like the Herald Republican)

[bigbass]

Bin Laden is still alive, The oil tycoons have cashed in for trillions, The rich are still getting richer, and the wealthiest of Americans support Bush, wonder why?

Smackdown 2008

[Mr Douglas]

Powdered soap, no rope. Well, or save the rope for other uses.

[troublesome one]

Bin Laden's still alive because we didn't get him when he was an easy target. It's like a mouse that's sitting all fat & happy in the middle of your garage floor. Once you take a swipe and he knows you're after him, he scurries for cover.

If you read the NY Times article posted you'll see that even Clinton's own State Department said it was a mistake to let him get to Afghanistan.

Not to worry, though. St. Barack will save you all with "change".

And what a nice change it is to see Obama campaign signs at the Wailing Wall. How thoughtful of them to spruce up one of the holiest site in Judaism by announcing the arrival of the "messiah".

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=70454

[Mr Douglas]

I don't want to sound like a broken record with the notion that we're 'owned', but I'm sure Clinton was well aware of who the BinLaden family was and continues to be, and since Bush Jr AND Sr are such good friends with the family..... I don't believe our 'keepers' have given PERMISSION to kill Osama BinLaden, or he'd be long-gone.

Who knows? Maybe they'll trot him out for show and tell just before the election.

[Mr Douglas]

Does anybody know of a plausible good reason why it took a month or so to deploy in Afghanistan? Are our special forces that were certainly already there somehow inept compared to what I'm sure are marginally educated Muslim hillbillies? I know about the trouble Russia had there in the '70s and early '80s, but they didn't have barometric bombs (**** near a nuke) like we do.

I just can't see how this guy's still around, except for the political and media fodder.

[happygolucky]

What specifically did he clear up? Your a great one for calling me on my memory, Tell me o great one WHAT did he clear up! All he has done is put money in his cronies pockets. Get several thousand Americans killed, and put us in debt for the next 50 years. If you are so hip on his policies, join the military and put your life on the line.

you must be a cronie too, he gave you money right??????

[hairypumper]

I would rather see McCain with a Dem controlled congress. One side with absolute power is scary. The more I learn about Obama, the less I trust him.

Actually I should have said Ron Paul. If we could all get our stuff together we could throw a big wrench in the two party system, but that isn't going to happen any time soon. Everyone wants to be on the winning side rather than the correct side. You'll notice I didn't say right, Evil would have jumped all over me.

[happygolucky]

Nice try, back to the question. what did he clear up?

Taliban, Sadam, liberated two countires, Advancing Democracy Around The World, President Bush Signed Into Law The First National Energy Plan In More Than A Decade, No Child Left Behind, Killed Clinton's "ergonomic" rules that OSHA was about to implement; rules would have shut down every home business in America, Changed the tone in the White House, restoring HONOR and DIGNITY to the presidency, Killed Clinton's CO2 rules that were choking off all of the electricity surplus to California, Saddam Hussein is now in prison. His two murderous sons are dead. All but a handful of the regime's senior members were killed or captured, Disarmed Libya of its chemical, nuclear and biological WMD's without bribes or bloodshed, Has been one of the strongest, if not THE strongest friend Israel has ever hand in the U.S. presidency, Pushed through THREE raises for our military. Increased military pay by more than $1 billion a year, i could go on........ but you get the picture, of course there is a list of the not so good things too. there always is and always will be no matter who is in office.

[Mr Douglas]

Actually I should have said Ron Paul. If we could all get our stuff together we could throw a big wrench in the two party system, but that isn't going to happen any time soon. Everyone wants to be on the winning side rather than the correct side. You'll notice I didn't say right, Evil would have jumped all over me.

Ron Paul would be AWESOME, but he'd have the non-stop subversion of TWO parties all the time. It'd be like Watergate and Monica all at once. He'd be impeached all but unanimously, whatever he did or didn't do. I'll probably waste my vote on him. Stupid conscience.

[Mr Douglas]

Back to the subject-

Rove's SPECIFIC job in the cabinet, and well beforehand, has been to smear, distort, convolute, SEEK THE RUIN, of anyone opposed to who signs his paycheck. He should be hung by a wire on live television. Oliver North too- on his own TV show.
At least Nixon had the sense to resign, but he knew they had him dead to rights. Nobody can see through the modern day smokescreen thanks to guys like Carl Rove. There's plenty more like him too. There should be college courses offered on the subject of subversion. It's the "wave of the future". How about Scott McClellan? "Where does that guy get off?!!?" HAH?!!

Where's Monica been anyway? Where's her memoirs? Does she still have the dress?

[Mr Douglas]

Taliban, Sadam, liberated two countires, Advancing Democracy Around The World, President Bush Signed Into Law The First National Energy Plan In More Than A Decade, No Child Left Behind, Killed Clinton's "ergonomic" rules that OSHA was about to implement; rules would have shut down every home business in America, Changed the tone in the White House, restoring HONOR and DIGNITY to the presidency, Killed Clinton's CO2 rules that were choking off all of the electricity surplus to California, Saddam Hussein is now in prison. His two murderous sons are dead. All but a handful of the regime's senior members were killed or captured, Disarmed Libya of its chemical, nuclear and biological WMD's without bribes or bloodshed, Has been one of the strongest, if not THE strongest friend Israel has ever hand in the U.S. presidency, Pushed through THREE raises for our military. Increased military pay by more than $1 billion a year, i could go on........ but you get the picture, of course there is a list of the not so good things too. there always is and always will be no matter who is in office.

Saddam's dead dude. We're ALL going to be working for the military if things don't turn around. And as far as No Child Left Behind- So What? How many million kids with a tenth grade education graduated this year? (If the school wants the money- fudge the grades.)

"Waive" the ISTEPS!! Full speed ahead!!!- Ye Lubbers!!!)

[evilkumquat]

Taliban, Sadam, liberated two countires, Advancing Democracy Around The World, President Bush Signed Into Law The First National Energy Plan In More Than A Decade, No Child Left Behind, Killed Clinton's "ergonomic" rules that OSHA was about to implement; rules would have shut down every home business in America, Changed the tone in the White House, restoring HONOR and DIGNITY to the presidency, Killed Clinton's CO2 rules that were choking off all of the electricity surplus to California, Saddam Hussein is now in prison. His two murderous sons are dead. All but a handful of the regime's senior members were killed or captured, Disarmed Libya of its chemical, nuclear and biological WMD's without bribes or bloodshed, Has been one of the strongest, if not THE strongest friend Israel has ever hand in the U.S. presidency, Pushed through THREE raises for our military. Increased military pay by more than $1 billion a year, i could go on........ but you get the picture, of course there is a list of the not so good things too. there always is and always will be no matter who is in office.

The Taliban are experience a resurgence, Saddam was never a threat, Afghanistan is in the middle of a tug-o-war between tribal warlords, Iraq is overrun by insurgents and suicide bombers, the tone of the White House has been changed to one of arrogance and contempt for the Constitution, ushered in the most reviled presidency with the lowest approval ratings in modern history, allowed Cheney to write the energy laws with industry insiders that helped cause the California crisis, the cost of gas is the highest in our nation's history, commuted the prison sentence of a traitor who outed a covert CIA operative... but you get the picture.