Is Angola wasting time and money?

[JohnBoy44]

i don't mind paying for getting the sewer fixed, but when they raise your bill to pay for someone's screw-up, it seems hard to justify.

Angola's sewer system needs work. it's been overflowing into the pigeon river for decades. If i have to pay 80/month so do you.

[michael medeski]

If i have to pay 80/month so do you.

do you have to pay for every gallon of crappy city water you use too.

[JohnBoy44]

do you have to pay for every gallon of crappy city water you use too.

i have a well I had to pay to drill.

[michael medeski]

i have a well I had to pay to drill.

exactly. you get all your water for free without the headache of a septic tank. that would be worth $80 to me. i can't drill. i believe it is against code. the city has a monopoly on water here in town. i would have had a well drilled years ago if they would let me. well water tastes better than city water, is cheaper than city water and i'm sure it is cleaner.

so i don't think you have any room to complain about your $80 bill when you get all the fresh, clean, water you want for free. or are you just complaining to be a jerk.

[JohnBoy44]

exactly. you get all your water for free without the headache of a septic tank. that would be worth $80 to me. i can't drill. i believe it is against code. the city has a monopoly on water here in town. i would have had a well drilled years ago if they would let me. well water tastes better than city water, is cheaper than city water and i'm sure it is cleaner.

so i don't think you have any room to complain about your $80 bill when you get all the fresh, clean, water you want for free. or are you just complaining to be a jerk.

i had no problem with my septic tank and no 80/month bill.
I was doing fine. If I'm going top be charged extra for keeping the waterways clean then so are you. The fact of the matter is angola's system has never been any good and has always been neglected.

[michael medeski]

i had no problem with my septic tank and no 80/month bill.
I was doing fine. If I'm going top be charged extra for keeping the waterways clean then so are you. The fact of the matter is angola's system has never been any good and has always been neglected.

by headache i mean by having to get it dug up or drained. are you going to have the same happy-go-lucky attitude if you get forced to buy city water. are you telling me you can't wait for the city to get their water to you?

i want the sewer fixed. i know a bunch of people that have drain problems because of the city's sewers. i just don't think we should pay for the clean-up on top of that.

[JohnBoy44]

by headache i mean by having to get it dug up or drained. are you going to have the same happy-go-lucky attitude if you get forced to buy city water. are you telling me you can't wait for the city to get their water to you?

i want the sewer fixed. i know a bunch of people that have drain problems because of the city's sewers. i just don't think we should pay for the clean-up on top of that.

so what is your average sewer bill now?
I never had probs with my septic tank or leach bed.
You can install pipes to make pumping carefree if you need to.

[michael medeski]

so what is your average sewer bill now?

what is your average water bill?

[JohnBoy44]

what is your average water bill?

80/month. what's yours?

[michael medeski]

80/month. what's yours?

on top of your $80 sewer bill? that is expensive.

[JohnBoy44]

on top of your $80 sewer bill? that is expensive.

dirty water or clean water, what is your bill?

[michael medeski]

dirty water or clean water, what is your bill?

more than $80. you don't seem understand what i mean. THE PRICE IS GOING UP. my bill varies every month. it is never the same. i know your upset because you had to hook up to city sewer. it's too bad that you were not allowed to opt out if you wanted. your bill has nothing to with the city water bill. do you think everyone should pay the same in property tax? how much is your house payment?

[JohnBoy44]

more than $80.?

ouch!! quit wasting it I guess

[michael medeski]

ouch!! quit wasting it I guess

it does not seem fair that you get free water when i have to pay for it. maybe the city should regulate all the homes with wells that are hooked up to city sewer and charge you to use water. that would be fair according to your logic....."If i'm going to be charged extra than so are you." right?

[JohnBoy44]

it does not seem fair that you get free water when i have to pay for it. maybe the city should regulate all the homes with wells that are hooked up to city sewer and charge you to use water. that would be fair according to your logic....."If i'm going to be charged extra than so are you." right?

or maybe you should be allowed to drill a well. are you allowed to?
I'm not hooked up to city sewer. there is a treatment plant over by flint.

[blue adept]

so what is your average sewer bill now?
I never had probs with my septic tank or leach bed.
You can install pipes to make pumping carefree if you need to.

Are you sure you were not midnighting?

[michael medeski]

or maybe you should be allowed to drill a well.

finally something we can agree on. maybe i should just do it secretly. the city will never know.

[blue adept]

Make sure that you put the blame on the Univertical plant problem on the people whose fault it is. Dana polluted the site for years and IDEM allowed it. When Univertical bought the empty building, Dana and IDEM agreed to keep the containment process going. IDEM never forced Dana to clean up its pollution. When Dana declared bankrupcy (born-again virgin), all IDEM requested from the bankrupcy judge was some worthless shares of Dana stock, not continued containment or payments to clean up the mess. IDEM sold the residents of Angola down the river for years; the City of Angola is trying to pick up pieces.

The median project downtown that you are complaining about has nothing to do with the Univertical clean-up. The utility bills may go up because the City is trying to fix sewer lines that are collapsing or in danger of collapsing because many of them are clay and/or were installed during the 1930s-1950s period. The state is going to repave US 20 next year so does it not make sense to get the sewer lines fixed before the repaving? The City is simply trying to deal with the Univertical cleanup and sewer problems with the potential increase in utility bills. Again the median project is not being paid for by the utility increase proposed by the city.

IDEM didn't used to have any teeth!

[RaceFan]

i never said that. i'm saying angola has their priorities screwed up. the road works just fine the way it is, but our water does not work just fine. what one to fix first? i understand that grants can be used to help improve the roads and downtown and that is where it should stop. WHY WASTE THE MONEY WHEN THERE IS MORE IMPORTANT THINGS? the city does not have to worry when they can just raise bills and taxes to make up for it and anything else they want to waste money on. it's a simple fix for them, but not for the people that get to pay for it the rest of their lives here.

so now it's all IDEMS fault? it sounds like the city should have sued dana. like you said they are the ones that started it. now it too late because dana holds no responsibility. if the city knew there was a problem, why did it get put off for so long? i put most of the blame on dana, but the city knew about it also. are you saying there is nothing the city can do when someone is polluting?

i don't mind paying for getting the sewer fixed, but when they raise your bill to pay for someone's screw-up, it seems hard to justify. do you think it will go back down when things are paid off? that's not how it works. so, what is the excuse for the high bills when things do get paid off?



racefan. i do go. please inform me, with all of your "actual facts", what facts i have wrong. just because you work for the city, and i don't, does not make my facts wrong and yours right. (do i have to remind you of the BMV thread?) maybe your the one that needs to get his facts straight. here is a fact..... THE CITY WANTS TO RAISE OUR SEWER RATES TO HELP PAY FOR A MISTAKE SOMEONE ELSE MADE. not just for new sewers.

Go back and read the BMV post. I was asking if what I heard was true,not stating that it was true. And I wasn't saying that you in particular have your facts incorrect, but sometimes things on here get bent way out of shape. And whether I work for the city or not I usually just try to point people in the right direction to get info. You very rarly see me post anything negative about anyone or anything.

[Thorman]

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so now it's all IDEMS fault? it sounds like the city should have sued dana. like you said they are the ones that started it. now it too late because dana holds no responsibility. if the city knew there was a problem, why did it get put off for so long? i put most of the blame on dana, but the city knew about it also. are you saying there is nothing the city can do when someone is polluting?

i don't mind paying for getting the sewer fixed, but when they raise your bill to pay for someone's screw-up, it seems hard to justify. do you think it will go back down when things are paid off? that's not how it works. so, what is the excuse for the high bills when things do get paid off?


Thorman's response:

Dana's bankrupcy prevents the city from suing the company for its wrongdoing. As I said before, bankrupcy of a company makes them a born-again virgin. They now are scot-free of any liability for their pollution. The state (IDEM) had the complete control of the site's fate, not Angola or the county. Univertical had an agreement with IDEM and Dana that also was washed out. The City was, unfortunately, not involved in anything until it was too late to do something. State government trumps local govt; bankrupcy trumps everything.