Is Angola wasting time and money?

[michael medeski]

The City was, unfortunately, not involved in anything until it was too late to do something. State government trumps local govt; bankrupcy trumps everything.

it seems like everyone involved is to blame. what a load of crap. it sucks we end up paying for it in the end. i have an idea......the city should file bankruptcy. like you said "it trumps everything". problem solved.

[angolagirlmisty]

exactly. you get all your water for free without the headache of a septic tank. that would be worth $80 to me. i can't drill. i believe it is against code. the city has a monopoly on water here in town. i would have had a well drilled years ago if they would let me. well water tastes better than city water, is cheaper than city water and i'm sure it is cleaner.

so i don't think you have any room to complain about your $80 bill when you get all the fresh, clean, water you want for free. or are you just complaining to be a jerk.

Well water isn't free. Those folks in the country have to pay to maintain and run a pump to get that water from below the ground into the house. Power outage=no water. In a desperate times we city dwellers can live without electricity for months and still do just fine. I wouldn't recommend it but have seen people do it when money was tight. Those country folk couldn't even take a cold bath if they did that. It all balances out in the end.

[JohnBoy44]

Well water isn't free. Those folks in the country have to pay to maintain and run a pump to get that water from below the ground into the house. Power outage=no water. In a desperate times we city dwellers can live without electricity for months and still do just fine. I wouldn't recommend it but have seen people do it when money was tight. Those country folk couldn't even take a cold bath if they did that. It all balances out in the end.

you can hand pump a well, misty. Or hook up a 500 dollar generator

[RaceFan]

you can hand pump a well, misty. Or hook up a 500 dollar generator

At $2.58 a gallon for fuel to run a generator versus Electricity, lets see how that balances out. I know my 7000 watt generator with the 10hp engine will run for aprox. 11 hours on the 5-gal tank.
And in the city you aren't paying for the water itself,you are paying for the service of getting it to you. The filtration , the treatment, and the distribution.

[michael medeski]

And in the city you aren't paying for the water itself,you are paying for the service of getting it to you. The filtration , the treatment, and the distribution.

blah blah blah. it's cheaper to have a well no matter how you look at it.

edit: not if you plan on running it with a generator all the time. that would only be needed for a power outage.

[evilkumquat]

blah blah blah. it's cheaper to have a well no matter how you look at it.

I pay the water bill here in Angola for several entities.

The average per household is anywhere from $30-50 per month.

Again, this is what I personally see.

I would rather pay the $50 per month for treated water (and efficient sewer) than put up with wells that run dry (it happens), pumps that break (and require fuel to run), a water softener (owned or rented- both take regular salt deliveries) and a septic system that can break (or requires regular pumping).

[michael medeski]

I would rather pay the $50 per month for treated water (and efficient sewer) than put up with wells that run dry (it happens), pumps that break (and require fuel to run), a water softener (owned or rented- both take regular salt deliveries) and a septic system that can break (or requires regular pumping).

you can buy lifetime electric pumps. yes, they can go dry, but my grandparents has lasted over 50yrs. the septic would be a pain in the butt, but i don't want one of those.

i used to know a guy that cable drilled them for a living. his right arm was like popeye's from holding the cable all the time. he would do one cheap too.

[HoosierHelen]

I pay the water bill here in Angola for several entities.

The average per household is anywhere from $30-50 per month.

Again, this is what I personally see.

I would rather pay the $50 per month for treated water (and efficient sewer) than put up with wells that run dry (it happens), pumps that break (and require fuel to run), a water softener (owned or rented- both take regular salt deliveries) and a septic system that can break (or requires regular pumping).

Yes, Evil, you got it right again. In Spencerville, we had to change to a public sewer system about 10 yrs ago. It runs us around $50 a month. Now we had a perfectly fine (and brand new septic system) when this new law passed that everyone in Spencerville had to convert.

OK...we are all on well water over here and if my neighbor's sewer is possible of screwing with the quality of my well water....it's worth $50 a month to be sure all sewage is making it to a safe place. SO WE PAY.

NOW..we are left with a fine country style of well water. Problem is that in Spencerville, we have an extremely high iron content in our well water. SO....we purchase a top of the line water softner from Kinetco. About $1700 is what I believe we paid for the water softner. NOW....every week....we spend $20 on salt to feed the sucker!! (YES....our water has an extreme amount of iron).

Rural living does not come cheap if you want white laundry and clean water in NE Indiana.

[JohnBoy44]

At $2.58 a gallon for fuel to run a generator versus Electricity, lets see how that balances out. I know my 7000 watt generator with the 10hp engine will run for aprox. 11 hours on the 5-gal tank.
And in the city you aren't paying for the water itself,you are paying for the service of getting it to you. The filtration , the treatment, and the distribution.

right. and how long do you lose power usually?

[HoosierHelen]

right. and how long do you lose power usually?

This generator thing is on my 'Honey Do' list. I WANT ONE!!

[RaceFan]

I pay the water bill here in Angola for several entities.

The average per household is anywhere from $30-50 per month.

Again, this is what I personally see.

I would rather pay the $50 per month for treated water (and efficient sewer) than put up with wells that run dry (it happens), pumps that break (and require fuel to run), a water softener (owned or rented- both take regular salt deliveries) and a septic system that can break (or requires regular pumping).

Something we both can agree on.

[RaceFan]

right. and how long do you lose power usually?

I was just saying if you ran a generator all the time with a well. Maybe I misunderstood the post .

[michael medeski]

Part of the clean up funds would come from Dana stock which Hickman says has gone up significantly in recent months from 26 cents to $5 a share. If that price holds, it could lessen the financial burden for the city and county.

i wonder if that could help lessen the burden on our utility bills too?

[jims]

The state controls the Dana stock. One would imagine they would only give out as much as was necessary to cover the cleanup, and that's it.

[michael medeski]

The state controls the Dana stock. One would imagine they would only give out as much as was necessary to cover the cleanup, and that's it.

that would be great. then they will not have to raise our bill to offset the cost like they are planning.

[michael medeski]

could someone that knows please explain how long will it take to pay back the clean-up loan? is there a time frame? i would just like to know when the sewer bill will go back down. thanks.

[jims]

It is a 20-year loan, so as Mr. Martin said last night, you'll be paying back a 2009 debt with 2029 dollars at the end. The city may also come into control of some 250,000 shares of Dana stock, which currently is at $4.66 per share.
By the way, the difference between using Major Moves and the additional $1 million in the interest free loan comes to $16.44 per year per equivalent dwelling unit.

[michael medeski]

It is a 20-year loan, so as Mr. Martin said last night, you'll be paying back a 2009 debt with 2029 dollars at the end. The city may also come into control of some 250,000 shares of Dana stock, which currently is at $4.66 per share.
By the way, the difference between using Major Moves and the additional $1 million in the interest free loan comes to $16.44 per year per equivalent dwelling unit.

so in 20 years our rates will lower? they will probably just save the dana stock/cash for a unforeseeable tragedy or waste it on flowers and trees for the mound. maybe they can just sit on it till it becomes worthless again.

by the way, since we are cross posting, it does not matter if it is $1 or $1000. the point is there is always an excuse raise rates, but never any to lower them. with all of the people hurting for money right now, do you think this is a really good time to raise rates on people? maybe in the future when one of those foreseen disasters come would make for a better time to take our money.

[michael medeski]

The city may also come into control of some 250,000 shares of Dana stock, which currently is at $4.66 per share.

i'm still trying to figure out why they are raising our rates instead of cashing in the stock from the company that started this whole mess in the first place. someone please explain because it makes no sense.

[michael medeski]

i just found this article. it was like dejavu........


How much is the water project costing?

To the Editor:

I just finished reading the article headlined “Council votes to increase water rates in Plainfield.”

Representatives from Umbaugh and Associates explained to the Plainfield Town Council of the need for an increase in our water rates. The new rates will cover the cost of a new water tower, and new booster system, and other infrastructure improvements.

I think this is wonderful. However, I have a question. When I buy a new car, I know at the time of the purchase the month and year it will be paid for and I will no longer be making payments. Could someone from Umbaugh and Associates or the town council tell me when I can expect these improvements to be paid for and to see my water rate return to normal?

Hopefully when and if I do get an answer, my reaction won’t be ‘oh yeah, that’s what I thought.’

Max Daugherty

Plainfield


i just found it interesting that the same advisers angola hired, because they don't know how to manage money, suggested a rate increase here too. it's funny, that the guy also had the same questions i did. WOW! what a coincidence. does this financial adviser just go around and tell cities to raise rates and taxes and get paid for it. now that is a waste of money. i wonder what it cost to hire them?

maybe we should get a second opinion.