Bipartisan Healthcare Summit, Anyone? Bueller?

[ted4502000]

From what I understand the I.R.S. will be the ones monitoring the billing, collections and also the ones that hand out the fines, and penalties? Makes me feel all the better about this Health Care...................... The I.R.S. you know they have a great track record of dealing with people (harassment).
Still not sure of the math people are using to get the \\\"SAVING\\\" part?.............my calculator doesn't handle those types of numbers. Maybe they will spend another Trillion and get us all a new calculator that will handle political numbers? Because these days a trillion is a small amount of cash. There are a lot of people that throw this number around and don't even understand that to the average Joe a trillion is almost a matter of infinity it is to big of a number to even grasp the concept of actually how much money this really is!

Sorry Wicked, but the "trillion" has been part of the US budget for 6 to 8 years. Long before the Right started preaching that Obama created (which is BS) a trillion dollar deficit (wonder what else they are BSing about). The deficit was way over a trillion when Obama took office. (and that's not my statement, thats the US Governments)

This link will give you comparisons of Million vs Billion vs Trillion:

http://www.dailycognition.com/index....lar-bills.html

[wickedacoustic]

Sorry Wicked, but the \"trillion\" has been part of the US budget for 6 to 8 years. Long before the Right started preaching that Obama created (which is BS) a trillion dollar deficit (wonder what else they are BSing about). The deficit was way over a trillion when Obama took office. (and that's not my statement, thats the US Governments)

This link will give you comparisons of Million vs Billion vs Trillion:

http://www.dailycognition.com/index....lar-bills.html

Boy Ted you got me there 6 to 8 years thats like for ever! isn't it? I don't really care about your Obama issues. You being a Tri/ne State Grad you know that your politicians are just managing the Dog and Pony show you are watching! Your producers are not even making headlines! Or would this be to far outside the box for someone who has taken my post and made it left or right.

[wickedacoustic]

Thinking a little more and due to your savy internet skills in finding your what a trillion dollars looks like.
I have to ask are you trying to tell me you have a grasp on a trillion dollars or even have the ability to understand the effects that a trillion dollars would have when being spent?

[Copycatted]

I think State Legislative and Executive branches using their Judicial branches to fight this healthcare issue are beating that DEAD HORSE...

[john40]

Sure it can. Some of you high and mighty holier than thous who think you know so much rank right down there.

Hairy sounds like you are getting an atitude I love it.

[2cents]

Here is a link explaining about the Amish and paying taxes. The do pay taxes, but not social security tax. If there is not an exemption under the current health care bill, I'm sure there will be one eventually after reading this article.

http://www.amishnews.com/amisharticles/amishss.htm

As far as everyone being required to have health insurance, this is basic economics. Currently many young people do not have coverage because they are not as likely to get sick. In order for the insurance companies to pay for the really sick people they need people paying premiums which are not going to have as many claims to balance the system out to make it affordable for all. This bill is just a stepping stone and I'm sure more changes will have to be made as it is implemented.

[ted4502000]

Boy Ted you got me there 6 to 8 years thats like for ever! isn't it? I don't really care about your Obama issues. You being a Tri/ne State Grad you know that your politicians are just managing the Dog and Pony show you are watching! Your producers are not even making headlines! Or would this be to far outside the box for someone who has taken my post and made it left or right.

Alright wicked,

I was being sarcastic. The United States onbudget outlay has been over 1 trillion dollars since 1990.

My mistake, 20 years.

[bigkneedgal]

The one thing I did not like was the Republicans repeating over and over again that they wanted to start from scratch on the bill. Okay, we get it. Enough already. Besides, I think we all know that \"moving slowly and incrementally\" is GOP code for \"stalling until we get the majority again\", right?

I mean, if Republicans really wanted to implement health care reform, why didn't they? They had plenty of chances when they were the majority in both the House and Senate -- and W was in the White House.

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I think Paul Krugman said it best:
"For today’s G.O.P. is, fully and finally, the party of Ronald Reagan — not Reagan the pragmatic politician, who could and did strike deals with Democrats, but Reagan the antigovernment fanatic, who warned that Medicare would destroy American freedom. It’s a party that sees modest efforts to improve Americans’ economic and health security not merely as unwise, but as monstrous. It’s a party in which paranoid fantasies about the other side — Obama is a socialist, Democrats have totalitarian ambitions — are mainstream. And, as a result, it’s a party that fundamentally doesn’t accept anyone else’s right to govern."

[HoosierHelen]

I think Paul Krugman said it best:
\"For today’s G.O.P. is, fully and finally, the party of Ronald Reagan — not Reagan the pragmatic politician, who could and did strike deals with Democrats, but Reagan the antigovernment fanatic, who warned that Medicare would destroy American freedom. It’s a party that sees modest efforts to improve Americans’ economic and health security not merely as unwise, but as monstrous. It’s a party in which paranoid fantasies about the other side — Obama is a socialist, Democrats have totalitarian ambitions — are mainstream. And, as a result, it’s a party that fundamentally doesn’t accept anyone else’s right to govern.\"

Hey Bigknees! I like what Paul Krugman says there.

[james_t]

I wonder how this will affect the Amish community as most of them are completely off the grid and pull resources together to help each other in times of need. They pay cash for everything. Will they be subject to this fine as well?

GOSHEN (AP) — Thousands of Indiana Amish residents will see few changes in their health care despite new federal requirements that most people have health insurance.
The landmark health care legislation passed last month will extend coverage to 32 million uninsured Americans. Most people would be required to buy insurance for the first time or face penalties if they refuse.
But a provision in the legislation exempts members of churches that have conscientious objections to private or public insurance. That includes the roughly 239,000 Amish in the United States, about 40,000 of whom live in Indiana.
The Amish traditionally don’t vote and have a long-established practice of not participating in government-run programs such as Social Security and Medicare.
“They believe the church has the responsibility, actually the divine responsibility, to provide for its own members. In a sense, God is holding them accountable for taking care of their elderly, their disabled, people who might be out of work,” said Steven Nolt, a history professor at Goshen College who studies the Amish and Mennonites.
“If people would turn to either commercial insurance or public welfare programs, they would be going against what God has asked them to do,” he said.
Lawmakers whose states or districts include large Amish populations pushed for the carve-out to ensure the Amish wouldn’t be fined for not participating in the new health insurance mandates.
The exemption does not extend to the employer mandate, which calls for fines of $2,000 per full-time worker each year starting in 2014 if they don’t offer insurance. But most Amish businesses would not be affected because they have fewer than 50 employees.
Herman Bontrager, secretary-treasurer of the National Committee for Amish Religious Freedom, said leaders of the order are waiting to see how the Department of Health and Human Services writes the regulations that will determine how the law is implemented.
Denise Reiling, an associate professor at Eastern Michigan University who also is a cultural liaison with Amish communities in northeast Indiana, said the Amish could benefit from the law if medical costs fall as a result of the health care overhaul.
Amish families faced with large medical bills pay what they can, and the church pays the balance.
Nolt said it’s common for the church to collect alms on a regular basis to pay medical expenses of old and ill members and make special collections when something unexpected comes up.
Though the Amish still rely first on natural remedies, Reiling said they have begun seeking more medical care over the past 50 years.
Anything that would reduce costs, she said, “would be a tremendous boon to Amish people.”

[michael medeski]

But a provision in the legislation exempts members of churches that have conscientious objections to private or public insurance.

so does that mean your church will need to sign a note or notarize something showing your a member? that sounds like discrimination to me.

[Graygleam]

so does that mean your church will need to sign a note or notarize something showing your a member? that sounds like discrimination to me.

Totally by coincidence, my church........."The Celebration Church of What's Happenin' Now Reformed"........is totally opposed to private or public insurance. Unfortunately our building burned to the ground and we can not afford to replace it, so we can offer little help.