Arizona exhibits common sensein face of federal failure

[troublesome one]

Whose Country Is This?
by Patrick J. Buchanan

04/27/2010


With the support of 70 percent of its citizens, Arizona has ordered sheriffs and police to secure the border and remove illegal aliens, half a million of whom now reside there.

Arizona acted because the U.S. government has abdicated its constitutional duty to protect the states from invasion and refuses to enforce America's immigration laws.

"We in Arizona have been more than patient waiting for Washington to act," said Gov. Jan Brewer. "But decades of inaction and misguided policy have created an unacceptable situation."

We have a crisis in Arizona because we have a failed state in Washington.

What is the response of Barack Obama, who took an oath to see to it that federal laws are faithfully executed?

He is siding with the law-breakers. He is pandering to the ethnic lobbies. He is not berating a Mexican regime that aids and abets this invasion of the country of which he is commander in chief. Instead, he attacks the government of Arizona for trying to fill a gaping hole in law enforcement left by his own dereliction of duty.

He has denounced Arizona as "misguided." He has called on the Justice Department to ensure that Arizona's sheriffs and police do not violate anyone's civil rights. But he has said nothing about the rights of the people of Arizona who must deal with the costs of having hundreds of thousands of lawbreakers in their midst.

How's that for Andrew Jackson-style leadership?

Obama has done everything but his duty to enforce the law.

Undeniably, making it a state as well as a federal crime to be in this country illegally, and requiring police to check the immigration status of anyone they have a "reasonable suspicion" is here illegally, is tough and burdensome. But what choice did Arizona have?

The state has a fiscal crisis caused in part by the burden of providing schooling and social welfare for illegals and their families, who consume far more in services than they pay in taxes and who continue to pour in. Even John McCain is now calling for 3,000 troops on the border.

Police officers and a prominent rancher have been murdered. There have been kidnappings believed to be tied to the Mexican drug cartels. There are nightly high-speed chases through the barrios where innocent people are constantly at risk.

If Arizona does not get control of the border and stop the invasion, U.S. citizens will stop coming to Arizona and will begin to depart, as they are already fleeing California.

What we are talking about here is the Balkanization and breakup of a nation into ethnic enclaves. A country that cannot control its borders isn't really a country anymore, Ronald Reagan reminded us.

The tasks that Arizonans are themselves undertaking are ones that belong by right, the Constitution and federal law to the Border Patrol, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and Homeland Security.

Arizona has been compelled to assume the feds' role because the feds won't do their job. And for that dereliction of duty the buck stops on the desk of the president of the United States.

Why is Obama paralyzed? Why does he not enforce the law, even if he dislikes it, by punishing the businessmen who hire illegals and by sending the 12 million to 20 million illegals back home? President Eisenhower did it. Why won't he?

Because he is politically correct. Because he owes a big debt to the Hispanic lobby that helped deliver two-thirds of that vote in 2008. Though most citizens of Hispanic descent in Arizona want the border protected and the laws enforced, the Hispanic lobby demands that the law be changed.

Fair enough. But the nation rose up as one to reject the "path-to-citizenship" -- i.e., amnesty -- that the 2007 plan of George W. Bush, McCain, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama envisioned.

Al Sharpton threatens to go to Phoenix and march in the streets against the new Arizona law. Let him go.

Let us see how many African-Americans, who are today frozen out of the 8 million jobs held by illegal aliens that might otherwise go to them or their children, will march to defend an invasion for which they are themselves paying the heaviest price.

Last year, while Americans were losing a net of 5 million jobs, the U.S. government -- Bush and Obama both -- issued 1,131,000 green cards to legal immigrants to come and take the jobs that did open up, a flood of immigrants equaled in only four other years in our history.

What are we doing to our own people?

Whose country is this, anyway?

America today has an establishment that, because it does not like the immigration laws, countenances and condones wholesale violation of those laws.

Nevertheless, under those laws, the U.S. government is obligated to deport illegal aliens and punish businesses that knowingly hire them.

This is not an option. It is an obligation.


Can anyone say Barack Obama is meeting that obligation?

[wickedacoustic]

Whose Country Is This?
by Patrick J. Buchanan

04/27/2010


With the support of 70 percent of its citizens, Arizona has ordered sheriffs and police to secure the border and remove illegal aliens, half a million of whom now reside there.

Arizona acted because the U.S. government has abdicated its constitutional duty to protect the states from invasion and refuses to enforce America's immigration laws.

\"We in Arizona have been more than patient waiting for Washington to act,\" said Gov. Jan Brewer. \"But decades of inaction and misguided policy have created an unacceptable situation.\"

We have a crisis in Arizona because we have a failed state in Washington.

What is the response of Barack Obama, who took an oath to see to it that federal laws are faithfully executed?

He is siding with the law-breakers. He is pandering to the ethnic lobbies. He is not berating a Mexican regime that aids and abets this invasion of the country of which he is commander in chief. Instead, he attacks the government of Arizona for trying to fill a gaping hole in law enforcement left by his own dereliction of duty.

He has denounced Arizona as \"misguided.\" He has called on the Justice Department to ensure that Arizona's sheriffs and police do not violate anyone's civil rights. But he has said nothing about the rights of the people of Arizona who must deal with the costs of having hundreds of thousands of lawbreakers in their midst.

How's that for Andrew Jackson-style leadership?

Obama has done everything but his duty to enforce the law.

Undeniably, making it a state as well as a federal crime to be in this country illegally, and requiring police to check the immigration status of anyone they have a \"reasonable suspicion\" is here illegally, is tough and burdensome. But what choice did Arizona have?

The state has a fiscal crisis caused in part by the burden of providing schooling and social welfare for illegals and their families, who consume far more in services than they pay in taxes and who continue to pour in. Even John McCain is now calling for 3,000 troops on the border.

Police officers and a prominent rancher have been murdered. There have been kidnappings believed to be tied to the Mexican drug cartels. There are nightly high-speed chases through the barrios where innocent people are constantly at risk.

If Arizona does not get control of the border and stop the invasion, U.S. citizens will stop coming to Arizona and will begin to depart, as they are already fleeing California.

What we are talking about here is the Balkanization and breakup of a nation into ethnic enclaves. A country that cannot control its borders isn't really a country anymore, Ronald Reagan reminded us.

The tasks that Arizonans are themselves undertaking are ones that belong by right, the Constitution and federal law to the Border Patrol, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and Homeland Security.

Arizona has been compelled to assume the feds' role because the feds won't do their job. And for that dereliction of duty the buck stops on the desk of the president of the United States.

Why is Obama paralyzed? Why does he not enforce the law, even if he dislikes it, by punishing the businessmen who hire illegals and by sending the 12 million to 20 million illegals back home? President Eisenhower did it. Why won't he?

Because he is politically correct. Because he owes a big debt to the Hispanic lobby that helped deliver two-thirds of that vote in 2008. Though most citizens of Hispanic descent in Arizona want the border protected and the laws enforced, the Hispanic lobby demands that the law be changed.

Fair enough. But the nation rose up as one to reject the \"path-to-citizenship\" -- i.e., amnesty -- that the 2007 plan of George W. Bush, McCain, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama envisioned.

Al Sharpton threatens to go to Phoenix and march in the streets against the new Arizona law. Let him go.

Let us see how many African-Americans, who are today frozen out of the 8 million jobs held by illegal aliens that might otherwise go to them or their children, will march to defend an invasion for which they are themselves paying the heaviest price.

Last year, while Americans were losing a net of 5 million jobs, the U.S. government -- Bush and Obama both -- issued 1,131,000 green cards to legal immigrants to come and take the jobs that did open up, a flood of immigrants equaled in only four other years in our history.

What are we doing to our own people?

Whose country is this, anyway?

America today has an establishment that, because it does not like the immigration laws, countenances and condones wholesale violation of those laws.

Nevertheless, under those laws, the U.S. government is obligated to deport illegal aliens and punish businesses that knowingly hire them.

This is not an option. It is an obligation.


Can anyone say Barack Obama is meeting that obligation?

"GO JAN" I support Arizona !!! I am required anywhere in the world to carry proper identification (Passport and valid I.D.) What is wrong with requiring the same from anyone comming into the States? "GO ARIZONA"

[HoosierHelen]

I have no problem with Arizona enforcing immigration laws that our Federal Government is failing to enforce. These laws exist for a reason and have been voted on by our citizens. They are the law of our land. Go Arizona!!

Now in Pat Buchanan's statement....does anyone else see something racist here??

Let us see how many African-Americans, who are today frozen out of the 8 million jobs held by illegal aliens that might otherwise go to them or their children, will march to defend an invasion for which they are themselves paying the heaviest price.

WHY does this man assume it is only African-Americans who are loosing jobs to illegal aliens??? Is he not aware of how many Caucasian's are living at poverty level and would be happy to take these jobs also?

While on a trip to PA last week, I visited with a hotel manager regarding their staff that cleans the rooms. He told me up until about 4 months ago their staff had a majority of Mexican workers, not so now. I asked who had replaced those who had left. His answer was local caucasians. For 4 days, I did notice that the maid service for my particular room were ALL caucasians.

Pat Buchanan...get your head out of the fog! American citizens need jobs...it's NOT about race. All citizens are needing jobs.

[JoeHooker]

I have no problem with Arizona enforcing immigration laws that our Federal Government is failing to enforce. These laws exist for a reason and have been voted on by our citizens. They are the law of our land. Go Arizona!!

Now in Pat Buchanan's statement....does anyone else see something racist here??

Let us see how many African-Americans, who are today frozen out of the 8 million jobs held by illegal aliens that might otherwise go to them or their children, will march to defend an invasion for which they are themselves paying the heaviest price.

WHY does this man assume it is only African-Americans who are loosing jobs to illegal aliens??? Is he not aware of how many Caucasian's are living at poverty level and would be happy to take these jobs also?

While on a trip to PA last week, I visited with a hotel manager regarding their staff that cleans the rooms. He told me up until about 4 months ago their staff had a majority of Mexican workers, not so now. I asked who had replaced those who had left. His answer was local caucasians. For 4 days, I did notice that the maid service for my particular room were ALL caucasians.

Pat Buchanan...get your head out of the fog! American citizens need jobs...it's NOT about race. All citizens are needing jobs.

I couldn't agree with you more! These criminal illegals aren't just robbing along lines of race or gender. They steal from EVERY honest U.S. citizen, & seem to want aplauded for doing so. Now tell me, "Just whay in the h--l do I need to press 1 for English?"

[hairypumper]

I have no problem with Arizona enforcing immigration laws that our Federal Government is failing to enforce. These laws exist for a reason and have been voted on by our citizens. They are the law of our land. Go Arizona!!

Now in Pat Buchanan's statement....does anyone else see something racist here??

Let us see how many African-Americans, who are today frozen out of the 8 million jobs held by illegal aliens that might otherwise go to them or their children, will march to defend an invasion for which they are themselves paying the heaviest price.

WHY does this man assume it is only African-Americans who are loosing jobs to illegal aliens??? Is he not aware of how many Caucasian's are living at poverty level and would be happy to take these jobs also?

While on a trip to PA last week, I visited with a hotel manager regarding their staff that cleans the rooms. He told me up until about 4 months ago their staff had a majority of Mexican workers, not so now. I asked who had replaced those who had left. His answer was local caucasians. For 4 days, I did notice that the maid service for my particular room were ALL caucasians.

Pat Buchanan...get your head out of the fog! American citizens need jobs...it's NOT about race. All citizens are needing jobs.

Helen, he was making his point against Sharpton. Sharpton wanted "People of Color" to join him in Arizona. Sharpton doesn't care about illegals, he only cares about Sharpton. Granted, Pat could have conveyed his message a little better, but we all could sometimes.

[HoosierHelen]

Helen, he was making his point against Sharpton. Sharpton wanted \"People of Color\" to join him in Arizona. Sharpton doesn't care about illegals, he only cares about Sharpton. Granted, Pat could have conveyed his message a little better, but we all could sometimes.

I certainly agree regarding Sharpton. Thanks for sharing your take on why Pat chose these words, Hairy.

[HoosierHelen]

Dora The Explorer - arrested by immigration?

http://www.popeater.com/2010/05/21/d...orer-arrested/

[Mr Douglas]

Dora The Explorer - arrested by immigration?

http://www.popeater.com/2010/05/21/dora-the-explorer-arrested/

No profiling though. Her lavender backpack looks 'suspicious'.

[LuciusBeebe]

Folks, the controversy is not about going after illegals. It is about HOW they are going after illegals.

Here is the problem:

Police are allowed to go up to someone they suspect of being an illegal immigrant and ask for identification. If the person doesn't have it, they can go to jail.

1. Nobody in America should be put in a cell because they didn't have a piece of paper on them.

2. What does an illegal immigrant look like?

This is a very interesting case. It IS a racist law, but it is NOT motivated by racism. It just so happens that the people affected by the law are one racial group. If that is confusing, switch it to the northern states. If Minnesota had a problem with illegal immigration from Canada, they could enact this very same law... and it would affect white people, not hispanic.

I make that point because I believe it is a crucial distinction, the Left is going crazy, calling this racism, racial profiling, et cetera. Let's be clear, it IS a racist law. But only coincidentally.

I don't really have a problem with this law, but I do have a problem with Arizona claiming they HAD to do this because Washington won't do anything. Washington HAS done things to help, but nothing works. Frankly, if Arizona wants to do this, they need to stop being wussy and claiming this is a desperation move. Act like Texas, Arizona. Hoist yer belt buckle up, and say "dern right we're profilin'! F 'em!"


However... we have one more case of hypocrisy by Conservatives.

Conservatives want smaller government, right? Less power in Washington? So here we have a case where The Man can ask for your papers and if you don't have them you go to jail. That's some pretty Big Government there, folks. Dude walks to the gas station for a Pepsi, leaves the house for 4 minutes, has two bucks in his pocket for the pop. Wallet at the house. Cop asks to see his ID. Doesn't have it. Off to jail with you, sir! That is WAY bigger government than figuring out who pays for your prescription. That is the full removal of your rights because you are not carrying a plastic card.

So why are Conservatives for it?

I guess they'd reconsider if they were hispanic.

[blue adept]

Whose Country Is This?
by Patrick J. Buchanan

04/27/2010

Police officers and a prominent rancher have been murdered. There have been kidnappings believed to be tied to the Mexican drug cartels. There are nightly high-speed chases through the barrios where innocent people are constantly at risk.

Did ya notice this word?

If Arizona does not get control of the border and stop the invasion, U.S. citizens will stop coming to Arizona and will begin to depart, as they are already fleeing California. ?

I really doubt they are leaving because of illegals!

Nevertheless, under those laws, the U.S. government is obligated to deport illegal aliens and punish businesses that knowingly hire them.

This is not an option. It is an obligation.

I believe there are a number of deportations every day!

Can anyone say Barack Obama is meeting that obligation?

Are you really asking ,or just trying to stir up trouble. I cannot believe that in a land where everybodies [ancestors] were immigrants, illegal or not. I was born in this country, I have served in the military, and I have watched fear turn us into a country that wants big brother coming into our houses unannounced all to keep us safe. I would rather keep my freedom and run the risk of having my plane get hijacked, or blown up, than have officers treat me like a suspect every where I go. I do not want to ever hear


Ihre Papiere gefallen! [ your papers please in german]

like many who went to their death.

[HoosierHelen]

I NEVER leave home without my drivers license in my possession if I am driving my car.

I DO walk my county road without ID on me. Thankfully, I have family in my close community that could produce it if it would be necessary. I would not be offended if I should ever be held by law enforcement until my legal ID could be presented to them if they questioned me while walking. My attitude would be that they were simply doing their job.

I understand that I am repeating myself on the FP, but I have close friends who live on the border...their lack of safety, their need to sleep with guns by their bedside and drive with guns in their cars are NOT their norm. My friends are senior citizens who have lived a crime free life, always felt safe living within the USA. They found properties in the SW that were attractive to them, they purchased these and lived peacefully until the last few years. I sincerely wish that our citizens NOT living on the border would understand the very real problem our citizens in Arizona and Texas are dealing with. They fear for their lives and for their families lives daily.

Sorry to come off as a fear monger....but...I'm only the messenger. The facts are what they are. The longer we choose to deal with reality by sticking our heads in the sand as the ostrich does, just brings the problem closer to home.

[LuciusBeebe]

I NEVER leave home without my drivers license in my possession if I am driving my car.

I DO walk my county road without ID on me. Thankfully, I have family in my close community that could produce it if it would be necessary. I would not be offended if I should ever be held by law enforcement until my legal ID could be presented to them if they questioned me while walking. My attitude would be that they were simply doing their job.

That's your choice, but I would be regally ticked off.

People should be put in jail for wrongs they have done, they should not be put in jail because they aren't carrying a piece of paper.

Its a little spooky.

I understand that I am repeating myself on the FP, but I have close friends who live on the border...their lack of safety, their need to sleep with guns by their bedside and drive with guns in their cars are NOT their norm. My friends are senior citizens who have lived a crime free life, always felt safe living within the USA. They found properties in the SW that were attractive to them, they purchased these and lived peacefully until the last few years. I sincerely wish that our citizens NOT living on the border would understand the very real problem our citizens in Arizona and Texas are dealing with. They fear for their lives and for their families lives daily.

Sorry to come off as a fear monger....but...I'm only the messenger. The facts are what they are. The longer we choose to deal with reality by sticking our heads in the sand as the ostrich does, just brings the problem closer to home.

I know its bad, that's why I said I don't have a huge problem with this law. They need to do something. What they have chosen to do is not exactly wise. Pulling people aside because they look fishy is just a little to gestapo for me.

Here's the problem illegal immigration poses... they have to come up with a solution that is effective enough to deter it from happening. Anything that is effective will be distasteful to the bulk of Americans that aren't dealing with the problem. Its a really nasty pickle.

[hairypumper]

Anyone who doesn't like this law should go to Mexico without proper ID and see where they end up. All legal citizens of the USA must have proper ID to enter a liquor store or government building. If we go to any foriegn land we must show proper ID upon request. Why should illegals get preferential tretment in our country? Oh, that's right, so the rich can get richer and the middle class will disappear. The only cure is to make it a felony to hire them and enforce the law vigorously.

[blue adept]

I NEVER leave home without my drivers license in my possession if I am driving my car.

I DO walk my county road without ID on me. Thankfully, I have family in my close community that could produce it if it would be necessary. I would not be offended if I should ever be held by law enforcement until my legal ID could be presented to them if they questioned me while walking. My attitude would be that they were simply doing their job.

I understand that I am repeating myself on the FP, but I have close friends who live on the border...their lack of safety, their need to sleep with guns by their bedside and drive with guns in their cars are NOT their norm. My friends are senior citizens who have lived a crime free life, always felt safe living within the USA. They found properties in the SW that were attractive to them, they purchased these and lived peacefully until the last few years. I sincerely wish that our citizens NOT living on the border would understand the very real problem our citizens in Arizona and Texas are dealing with. They fear for their lives and for their families lives daily.

Sorry to come off as a fear monger....but...I'm only the messenger. The facts are what they are. The longer we choose to deal with reality by sticking our heads in the sand as the ostrich does, just brings the problem closer to home.

Helen, I have a son that lives in Arizona, he looks at it a little differently. While I may not see your side, I believe my side is also valid.

[Mr Douglas]

Anyone who doesn't like this law should go to Mexico without proper ID and see where they end up. All legal citizens of the USA must have proper ID to enter a liquor store or government building. If we go to any foriegn land we must show proper ID upon request. Why should illegals get preferential tretment in our country? Oh, that's right, so the rich can get richer and the middle class will disappear. The only cure is to make it a felony to hire them and enforce the law vigorously.

There's the problem right there. It would be political suicide to take the carrot off the stick- i.e. employing them. It would cause 'hardship', 'inflation', etc. to already 'beleaguered' businesses.
Anyone really worried about this would demand very draconian laws regarding employing illegals, but wait, that would make the government have to 'grow' too to enforce it effectively.
That, and there just wouldn't be enough human suffering to satisfy the people who want to deport all 30+/- million of them.

[hairypumper]

If all the working class are living in poverty who will buy the products they make?

[Mr Douglas]

If all the working class are living in poverty who will buy the products they make?

It'll all just dry up. The Haves will already have everything, the Have Nots will fight amongst themselves for the scraps.

[LuciusBeebe]

All legal citizens of the USA must have proper ID to enter a liquor store or government building.

That is not true. Completely not true. So far from true that it takes the light from true 5 years to reach it.

Try it. Leave your ID in your car and walk into a liquor store. You can totally do it.

Besides, you're describing specific circumstances, when the Arizona law is not about specific circumstances. It is about simply existing in Arizona. Standing on sidewalk? Papers, please! That is the crux of the opposition to this law. Americans should have a problem with the idea of needing papers on you at all times or losing your freedom.

Land of the free, remember? Not land of the free when carrying a license. What are we, dogs?

If we go to any foriegn land we must show proper ID upon request.

Mind backing that up with a link? Because last I heard the Canadians don't walk around demanding to see papers.

The only cure is to make it a felony to hire them and enforce the law vigorously.

Bingo. The people that anger me are the ones that screw citizens by hiring illegals. They are the bad guys and they get precious little attention when the subject comes up.

[hairypumper]

Well in Indiana at least it is the law that you must have ID to enter a liquor store. Just because the clerk doesn't ask to see it does not change the fact. Sure, you can get into Canada without proper documentation, the trick is getting back out. I do agree that "Probable Cause" and "Reasonable Suspicion" are a joke, but they use it to pull citizens over all the time. Keep checking out the cop following you in your mirror and he gets suspicious. Driving under the speed limit is suspicious. There is no definition that I know of to either term.

[HoosierHelen]

LB you are wrong on this point. We ALL must present ID's upon liquor purchases as of July of this year in Indiana. I am 60+ and have already experienced being carded where the clerk isn't acquainted with me recently.

http://www.journalgazette.net/articl...9991/1021/EDIT