Mitch Daniels Cartoon

[blue adept]

Rate for driving a 5 axle tractor/trailer from Ohio line to Illinois is $35.20. Average speed is 63 MPH. Big rigs gets around 5 mpg and diesel fuel is around $3.50 per gallon so it cost them $17.50 at this end just to avoid toll road charges. I just don't see the advantage of avoiding the toll road, both monetarily and timewise. Would be interesting to see if the truck traffic on local roads are long distance haulers or short haulers that would use local roads even in there were no toll road charges.

I didn't do the math, and really don't care if they are smart enough to do it. Alls I know is two of them haul long distance, and still avoid the toll road, and seem to be doing fine, so who am I to tell them their business. Maybe there is something missing from your calculations that they know about and you don't? Maybe there is more cops on the toll road?

[Graygleam]

You should be happy that local roads are getting more traffic. Doesn't that equate to more revenue, more jobs for the local area.

Not to mention more upkeep on roads worn-out prematurely by more big rig traffic. But that's ok, the tax payers will pay for the roads.

[hairypumper]

So... there's more traffic, even though tolls didn't go up?

My speculation meter is pinging.

My numbers were a little off. Only a quarter billion goes back to them. http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net...rticleID=55444

[hairypumper]

Rate for driving a 5 axle tractor/trailer from Ohio line to Illinois is $35.20. Average speed is 63 MPH. Big rigs gets around 5 mpg and diesel fuel is around $3.50 per gallon so it cost them $17.50 at this end just to avoid toll road charges. I just don't see the advantage of avoiding the toll road, both monetarily and timewise. Would be interesting to see if the truck traffic on local roads are long distance haulers or short haulers that would use local roads even in there were no toll road charges.

A lot of those truckers are running the Chicago to Columbus or Cincinnati route. 6 to 33. Many of today's fuel efficient trucks get 6 to 8 mpg when not heavily loaded. They are travelling less miles than if they ran the toll road. They used to travel the toll road to save time before the rates went up, now they save money rather than time. The toll road had seen a 9.5% drop in traffic from June of '08 to June of '09. http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/l...96928281e.html

[HomeyG]

I get the impression that many of you think that Indiana is the only state that increased their toll road rates. Looking at what other states have done maybe we have nothing to complain about. Actually, I think the complaints are not about rate increases but has more to do that it was a Mitch Daniels' idea.

http://www.tollroadsnews.com/taxonomy/term/815

[hairypumper]

I get the impression that many of you think that Indiana is the only state that increased their toll road rates. Looking at what other states have done maybe we have nothing to complain about. Actually, I think the complaints are not about rate increases but has more to do that it was a Mitch Daniels' idea.

http://www.tollroadsnews.com/taxonomy/term/815

Actually I think the problem was Indiana had not raised the rates for 20 years. Politics is why the toll road wasn't profitable.(my opinion)

[LuciusBeebe]

Actually, I think the complaints are not about rate increases but has more to do that it was a Mitch Daniels' idea.

I don't believe that one bit. Leasing a toll road to a foreign nation is a very controversial idea, it doesn't matter whether the guy doing it was a republican or a democrat. In fact, I think you'll find that a poll of the man on the street will show that most people couldn't even tell you if Daniels is a Republican or a Democrat.

[james_t]

Actually I think the problem was Indiana had not raised the rates for 20 years. Politics is why the toll road wasn't profitable.(my opinion)

I don't know about Indiana, but in Illinois when they started the toll roads the original proposal was that the tolls were supposed to go away once the roads were paid for.

[hairypumper]

Another point is 60% of Hoosiers opposed the lease. Proof that in Indiana the majority does not rule. "The Party" has assumed control.

[Copycatted]

I don't know about Indiana, but in Illinois when they started the toll roads the original proposal was that the tolls were supposed to go away once the roads were paid for.

Ithink we were taught the same thing about Indiana James. Suppose that's where the air lines are getting their lead of charge,charge,charge,charge the Customer for everything!!!! When will someone of State drum up charging them for flying in our air space?

[HoosierHelen]

Actually I think the problem was Indiana had not raised the rates for 20 years. Politics is why the toll road wasn't profitable.(my opinion)

The obvious fact is that our Hoosier voters has permitted the lease to happen. So...the majority of Hoosier's must be okay with this arrangement? Right??

[HomeyG]

Another point is 60% of Hoosiers opposed the lease. Proof that in Indiana the majority does not rule. \"The Party\" has assumed control.

Daniels was re-elected as governor in 2008, guess the opposition to the lease wasn't that big of deal to the Indiana voter.

[LuciusBeebe]

Daniels was re-elected as governor in 2008, guess the opposition to the lease wasn't that big of deal to the Indiana voter.

I think the more obvious point is that the voters don't care what the R does, so long as he's an R.

[Graygleam]

I think the more obvious point is that the voters don't care what the R does, so long as he's an R.

Bingo !!!!!!!!

[Thorman]

Daniels was re-elected as governor in 2008, guess the opposition to the lease wasn't that big of deal to the Indiana voter.

Oh come on, if I lived in any other part of the state that is not affected by toll road traffic (such as Indianapolis, Richmond, or Evansville) and the governor said, "look, let's lease the toll road and your area will get tons of cash to fix roads in your area with no downside," what would you say? To sit there and say that the opposition to the lease wasn't a big deal is disingenous.

And if he was a Democrat.,...

[hideaway70]

I think the more obvious point is that the voters don't care what the R does, so long as he's an R.

Lucius, not that you haven't made accurate statements in the past, but that one is particularly so.

[scottybee]

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/pa...surprised.html

I agree very mich with this person. I think President Obama made a huge mistake.

[scottybee]

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/pa...surprised.html

Huge mistake from President Obama.


(sorry for double post)

[Mr Douglas]

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/pa...surprised.html

Huge mistake from President Obama.


(sorry for double post)

You should check out stormfront.com . They cover ALL the bases.

[Graygleam]

You should check out stormfront.com . They cover ALL the bases.

They don't seem to like President Obama much either.