Who cares who Robin Riley endorses for Huntertown Clerk?

[CosmicKid]

Awww, did I hurt your feelings? So sorry, let me get you a tissue.

Oh! Look everyone! Another clever "one liner" from Hairypumper.

[hairypumper]

Oh! Look everyone! Another clever \"one liner\" from Hairypumper.

At least your mind is getting a break from the trials and tribulations of Huntertown politics. You should thank me.

[CosmicKid]

At least your mind is getting a break from the trials and tribulations of Huntertown politics. You should thank me.

Does this thread read "hey rural Auburn guy ...do you care about Huntertown politics?..." So, why are you poking? (or pumping - or whatever it is you are doing)...

[hairypumper]

Does this thread read \\"hey rural Auburn guy ...do you care about Huntertown politics?...\\" So, why are you poking? (or pumping - or whatever it is you are doing)...

All I tried to do was give a newbie a little advice on FP etiquette. You got all defensive and snarky. I can play this game as long as you want.

[CosmicKid]

All I tried to do was give a newbie a little advice on FP etiquette. You got all defensive and snarky. I can play this game as long as you want.

That's ironic...I would have described you as snarky and defensive...oh and condescending.

[hairypumper]

That's ironic...I would have described you as snarky and defensive...oh and condescending.

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[CosmicKid]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz... oh, did you say something?

Are you 10 yrs old? Does anyone know if Hairypumper is 10 yrs old? He sure sounds like he's 10yrs old.

[hairypumper]

Are you 10 yrs old? Does anyone know if Hairypumper is 10 yrs old? He sure sounds like he's 10yrs old.

Sticks and stones...

[LuciusBeebe]

Wow. Why is it crap LuciousBeebe...i mean BUDDY? If you don't agree - state why you don't agree.

I did. I figured it was best to stop discussing the topic when I asked if the person you didn't want to hold the position was qualified to hold it, and you said you didn't care if they were or not. I mean, how does one reply to that?

As far as the nuts and bolts of a forum and posting threads in different sections, its common practice on forums to condense multiple threads of the same topic into one thread. Which is an unnecessary pain in the butt for the mods. Its not a rule, its just courtesy. If people aren't replying to a thread in one section, posting it in another won't do anything but irritate the forum members. So, no, you're not breaking any rules. Its etiquette.

The fact is that people that post on these types of sites do so for sooooo many different reasons....and my reasons aren't so people will like me, or think I'm funny with my clever one liners.

I'm very curious about what your reasons are.

You haven't posted in nearly 3 months, and your posting habit before now has been 2-3 posts per month. Now we get multiple threads on the same topic in a handful of days?

EK would say something about ducks quacking, I'll just say it in my own way: I think you're stumping for a candidate, if you're not one yourself. One or the other, its just my gut feeling on it. That's why I've been brusque. I think you're doing some clandestine politicking, and it irks me a bit.

[LuciusBeebe]

Since we've got three threads on the topic...

It is absolute standard practice in financial institutions to not allow family members to work together to avoid any temptation or allegations of conspiracy.

Got anything to back that up?

When the state board of accounts comes in and says the town doesn't have the proper checks and balances in place - and they made it clear that it is because of 2 relatives working closely with town funds - what do you say to that? It blows my mind that there are people out there that thought that it was fine to consider her daughter for a well-paid position at the clerks office.

What do I say to that? I say I don't give a darn. I've heard of more cases of non-relatives ripping people off than people who were related.


By the way, do you have anything to back up your claim that the state board said that?

[james_t]

Since we've got three threads on the topic...

I merged the two threads in the Huntertown forum. I'm wondering if Cosmic was posting in Auburn to see what feedback Mike Walter would have, so I left that thread there.

[Night Owl]

I'm wondering if Cosmic was posting in Auburn to see what feedback Mike Walter would have, so I left that thread there.

So, we're not allowed to post similar topics in different towns on fencepost? That seems silly. I genuinely want to know what Auburn people think of these issues since they are a small yet established community. What's spam about that?

If he doesn't know who Nathan is, he probably doesn't know who Mike is. Just my opinion.

[CosmicKid]

Since we've got three threads on the topic...




Got anything to back that up?




What do I say to that? I say I don't give a darn. I've heard of more cases of non-relatives ripping people off than people who were related.


By the way, do you have anything to back up your claim that the state board said that?

The answer is yes...there is an audit report.

And as I stated before, I worked for one of the largest banks in the country that made it clear that this situation would be avoided by not allowing relatives to work together. In fact, as a commercial lending officer, I was not even allowed to accept simple basket type gifts during christmas months in fear that employees could be bribed or swayed in any way. I think they referred to it as "anti tying" or something like that. I understand that it may be accepted in other industries or small businesses, but taxpayer money is more sensitive in my opinion.

LB, I agree that anyone can conjur up a conspiracy or fraud - blood relatives or not, but the point is simpler than this...why even go there???

I don't have a clue who Mike Walter is. I genuinely wanted to find out what Auburn folks thought of this topic. I honestly thought this was going to bring about great discussion. Is it at the expense of John Hidy and the current clerk treasurer? Absolutely! I'm peeved about the situation, and I feel that others in the community should be to. It's like the board members are blindly voting without reasearching what they are voting on...or the implications of their votes. This is very clear.

I saw the opportunity to begin discussions on the Huntertown boards thinking that Huntertown people would get involved. I, in no way, intended to hijack this sacred fencepost and bore people with mumbo jumbo. I found it typical that the Huntertown forums were completely blank. Typical because half of the population doesn't even know they live in Huntertown...and therefore either don't vote or don't care...and they should. There are a handful of people blogging Huntertown politics and I wanted to help out. If that's politiking...so be it. I didn't just go post a thread saying Hidy is a doo doo head - Vote for Rudolph. I posed serious questions for the people of Huntertown...and I thought the wise residents of Auburn would contribute to a great discussion posed in a different question.

It's hilarious how some of you jump to put your two cents in when discussing someone's jury duty mishap, friends with benefits or some dumb sign for council meetings, and my topic is viewed as unstimulating. I enjoy an inbox full of cheers and jeers due to my involvement in a few other forum type websites in the area. I hold the reputation of building readership on dying forums by asking good questions. I guess I could understand why "my kind" is not welcome in Auburn...

[LuciusBeebe]

LB, I agree that anyone can conjur up a conspiracy or fraud - blood relatives or not, but the point is simpler than this...why even go there???

No... that's not what I said. Conspiracy and fraud happens all the time by non-relations. Its not a hypothetical that I'm positing. It happens all the time.

You want us to buy that because two people are relatives they are more likely to conspire.

That is a fallacy.

[Copycatted]

No... that's not what I said. Conspiracy and fraud happens all the time by non-relations. Its not a hypothetical that I'm positing. It happens all the time.

You want us to buy that because two people are relatives they are more likely to conspire.

That is a fallacy.

I don't find this hiring/electing that much of a problem,that's what local governments are all about,locally. What's a brain-drain is how quickly some local legislation is passed such as this K2 matter or even immigration. I know local government and even like us have to wait often until State or the Federal government moves before they can conduct real business and we get those bennies. But as for the quick local passage of those two examples tells me when even admitting there are so called wrinkles in them tells me they don't care about those who get's as if tarred and feathered by their legislation but at the end of the day Federal law brings out the oil dispersant to clean them up. All good though for the Dawn dish soap (all such soap has dispersants in it...) for cleaning up marine life after an oil spill though.

[CosmicKid]

No... that's not what I said. Conspiracy and fraud happens all the time by non-relations. Its not a hypothetical that I'm positing. It happens all the time.

You want us to buy that because two people are relatives they are more likely to conspire.

That is a fallacy.

It's not only the conspiring...it's the fact that management of such situations is difficult - and simply avoidable. Is it a fallacy to think that it would be difficult to repremand your own child or relative in a work environment? Is it a fallacy to think that things wouldn't get complicated in that situation? What about coworkers that may begin to feel that the child or relative is favored and therefore becomes disgruntled? Is that point a fallacy too? Would that be counterproductive in an environment so closely tied to taxpayer money? Instead of figuring out a way to personally attack me...answer the questions.

LB - It's obvious that your preconcieved notions about me will continue to muddy your responses on anything that I post...and probably any newcomer to this site for that matter. (once again my inbox was full of private messages from people pointing out that you and a few others love to be condescending to newcomers on this site). When you refer to "us"...are you speaking for others on this forum? I don't see anyone agreeing with you. Why do you assume that everyone agrees with you? Am I allowed to start a thread that asks: Why is Lucius Beebe so blatently rude towards posters with far less postings than him? According to my private messages inquiring minds want to know.

[Marshall]

CosmicKid,
The Huntertown Council consists of 5 elected council members. Mr. Rudolph is one of those Council Members. Since I got the number for State Board of Accounts in Indianapolis, I dropped a dime and called. I learned that the Clerk-Treasurer is responsible to hire and fire her own staff, not the council. I learned the state does not prohibit such action as hiring family. While it is a common business practice to not allow nepotism it appears the state doesn't consider it a significant problem. It would appear the town council feels this way too. Except for Mr. Rudolph. Anyone including Rudolph could formally write and introduce an ordinance to prohibit nepotism.

I'm still trying to make a connection with your anger towards Hidy he's just one guy? Since you brought it up maybe it was the endorsement? That's a no brainer. He wants Robin Riley's voters, she was only 6 votes less than Rudolph. That's just common endorsement politics to obtain either an organization or an individuals constituants to vote for them.

[LuciusBeebe]

It's not only the conspiring...it's the fact that management of such situations is difficult - and simply avoidable. Is it a fallacy to think that it would be difficult to repremand your own child or relative in a work environment? Is it a fallacy to think that things wouldn't get complicated in that situation? What about coworkers that may begin to feel that the child or relative is favored and therefore becomes disgruntled? Is that point a fallacy too? Would that be counterproductive in an environment so closely tied to taxpayer money? Instead of figuring out a way to personally attack me...answer the questions.

I haven't personally attacked you, I've gone after the things you have posted.

All your questions above are valid points, NONE of which you made until now.

What you said was that relatives shouldn't work together because it increases the risk of criminal wrong doing. I take issue with that. My comments have been about that.

LB - It's obvious that your preconcieved notions about me will continue to muddy your responses on anything that I post.

I don't have any preconceived notions about you. I don't know who you are. I only know what you have posted. I have only discussed what you have posted, your motives for posting, and the manner in which you posted them.

..and probably any newcomer to this site for that matter. (once again my inbox was full of private messages from people pointing out that you and a few others love to be condescending to newcomers on this site).

I treat you exactly as I would someone with a post count in the thousands. I don't care if someone is new to the forum, I just care about what they post.

When you refer to \\"us\\"...are you speaking for others on this forum? I don't see anyone agreeing with you. Why do you assume that everyone agrees with you? Am I allowed to start a thread that asks: Why is Lucius Beebe so blatently rude towards posters with far less postings than him? According to my private messages inquiring minds want to know.

Since 2007 people have thought that I am rude because I question the things they say.

You keep asking why you aren't allowed to start conversations, well I ask why you don't want me to converse.

What do you want me to do, Cosmic? I disagree with the things you say. I find them offensive. I don't care about Huntertown politics, I don't know if anyone but you does on this board. That doesn't matter. What I care about is your assertion that related coworkers are a problem.

I've worked with a great many related people, they've been just as hard working and trustworthy as non-relations. But you want us to believe that because some lady hires her daughter they're going to conspire to steal from your community?

You say I'm rude for asking you not to spam the forum... I say you're rude because you're slandering a person and her daughter.

CosmicKid,
Since I got the number for State Board of Accounts in Indianapolis, I dropped a dime and called. I learned that the Clerk-Treasurer is responsible to hire and fire her own staff, not the council. I learned the state does not prohibit such action as hiring family. While it is a common business practice to not allow nepotism it appears the state doesn't consider it a significant problem.

But... Cosmic said there was an audit report that said it was bad!

[Marshall]

My initial inquiery with Indianapolis State Board of Accounts brought me into the know on a couple issues. State Board of Accounts conducts routine audits on the Clerk-Treasurers Offices. Huntertown received 1 deficiency for not having a seperation in their utility offices. However, that being said, so did almost every town in Indiana that has their own utilities. It is a newer law that is required by the Federal Government when accepting money for Federal Improvement Programs. Most small towns don't either have the office space or staff to split utilities Water/Sewer/Power and such. State Board of Accounts believes the deficiencies will grow because the funds are not available to make the necessary adjustments unless rates are increased on the public. The deficiencie interestingly enough has nothing to do with nepotism.

[CosmicKid]

CosmicKid,
The Huntertown Council consists of 5 elected council members. Mr. Rudolph is one of those Council Members. Since I got the number for State Board of Accounts in Indianapolis, I dropped a dime and called. I learned that the Clerk-Treasurer is responsible to hire and fire her own staff, not the council. I learned the state does not prohibit such action as hiring family. While it is a common business practice to not allow nepotism it appears the state doesn't consider it a significant problem. It would appear the town council feels this way too. Except for Mr. Rudolph. Anyone including Rudolph could formally write and introduce an ordinance to prohibit nepotism.

I'm still trying to make a connection with your anger towards Hidy he's just one guy? Since you brought it up maybe it was the endorsement? That's a no brainer. He wants Robin Riley's voters, she was only 6 votes less than Rudolph. That's just common endorsement politics to obtain either an organization or an individuals constituants to vote for them.

Town Marshall:

So the state board of accounts loosley tosses around audit findings like "lack of segragation of duties" and "insufficient systems in place" for giggles? Seriously. I understand that there are 5 council members, but it's obvious that they all work for Robin Riley except for Dave Rudolph. Knowing Mr. Rudolph's extensive passion for the success of Huntertown's infrastructure, I feel that Dave Rudolph is ringing the bell on things that really matter to the taxpayers of Huntertown. The fact is that Huntertown needs to begin a new era of quality management of the town affairs...starting with new council members as well. The current council at the lead of Robin Riley has proven that they aren't fit for the job. The waste water plant debacle is just one example...the fact that nepotism isnt' avoided and practically favored among council members (Sue Gongwer's Husband magically got a job with the town)...is another. That may have been fine 10 years ago, but there is so much more at stake.

Former town resource officer Gary Grant is wasting his political statements on John Hidy eventhough he is running for his own seat on the town council. It appears that Gary Grant thinks he's a shoe-in for a seat and that his time will be better spent getting John Hidy elected so that they can create a job for Robin Riley. This is a fact from a formal statement from Gary Grant. He stated that he plans to propose a division of the duties of the current clerk to include a "utilities manager". What a turn of events!!! This is the sort of thing that Riley was known for folks! When is Robin Riley going to understand that she was defeated in the primary?

I'm not voting for John Hidy because he doesn't know how to make decisions - and it looks like he's just looking for a paycheck.
I'm not voting for Gary Grant because it's so very obvious that he's touting someone else's agenda...oh and he calls council meeting attendees (quote) "nobodys in this town" (of course he waits til the end of the meeting so it doesn't end up in the minutes).
How's that attitude workin' for ya' Gary? Until he ran for council, I didn't even know who Gary Grant was...so I guess I could say that he is, to me, "a nobody in this town".