Area unemployment...

[michael medeski]

Their website is pretty vague

36 credit hours or 18 credits a semester.

[hideaway70]

I don't like the idea of the government regulating everything under the sun; gives them too much control of how people run their businesses. And the government has proven pretty poor at managing anything.

I keep hearing this kind of thing from the right and I just don't quite understand why. In my opinion, this dream you have that if the government would just let everyone self-police then the world would be rosey is ridiculous. People, especially we Americans, are focused on our own self-interests. If there weren't goverment intervention at some point, we would have employers paying workers as little as they could absolutely get away with, with no regard for benefits or safety.

Tough, right? They should just get a degree, because they are free after all. Maybe a student loan- no that's a government handout and therefore evil.

Even the most radically anti-government among us would sit in a corner and cry without the benefits the intrusive government has given them, much of it as a result of organized labor, whether they would admit that or not. Enjoy your 40 hour work weeks and overtime pay...

[tdl_auburn]

Their website is pretty vague, it says you can get that master's in 1-3 years. How long did it take you?

Right around 2 1/2 years. University of Phoenix is a nationally accreditied school. If you're trying to find an arguement to discredit the degree you'll fail.

[LuciusBeebe]

I'm quite familiar with the university of phoenix online.

Why do you think I'm trying to discredit the degree? Because I've never heard of it, or because you got a Master's degree in less than 3 years?

[tdl_auburn]

I keep hearing this kind of thing from the right and I just don't quite understand why. In my opinion, this dream you have that if the government would just let everyone self-police then the world would be rosey is ridiculous. People, especially we Americans, are focused on our own self-interests. If there weren't goverment intervention at some point, we would have employers paying workers as little as they could absolutely get away with, with no regard for benefits or safety.

There are, actually, some good government programs out there. I just don't think the answer to every problem is more government regulation. Why? Because they do such a poor job of regulating because they already try to regulate so much. All this does is require more jobs in governement resulting in the syphoning of more and more tax dollars. Every time they try to regulate something they end up with a massive document

Tough, right? They should just get a degree, because they are free after all. Maybe a student loan- no that's a government handout and therefore evil.

I took out student loans to get both my bachelor's and master's. The only thing that makes them evil is the massive interest you pay on them and it's difficult to get them to work with you when you're having trouble making payments. I'm not saying people should get a degree to get a job. I'm saying if they don't want to work minimum wage jobs than they need to take training courses or get degrees to get the higher pay jobs. And I'm not saying all government programs are bad. I just don't think the answer is always more regulation. The governmen't ain't your daddy.

Even the most radically anti-government among us would sit in a corner and cry without the benefits the intrusive government has given them, much of it as a result of organized labor, whether they would admit that or not. Enjoy your 40 hour work weeks and overtime pay...

Unions have done a lot of good things and continue to do some good things. But they also complicate things beyond what is necessary. I was taught that if I pass a piece of trash, I pick it up and throw it in a recepticle. But eeeeh, can't do that in a union shop, someone will file a grievance. It's not like the person goes out of their way to find the trash, not taking it upon themself to mop the floor, vaccuum the carpet, clean a window, or reorganize an entire department. It's maybe 1 piece of trash a week. The Union I deal with now isn't bothered with someone picking up a piece of trash but some that I've dealt with go completely overboard about it.

[james_t]

Because I've never heard of it, or because you got a Master's degree in less than 3 years?

Three years (or 2-1/2) doesn't seem too out of line with what I remember of grad school. Had I finished my master's (I got 12 hours done and then changed careers) I think I would have wrapped it up in about three years, and that was with a traditional program and working full-time.

[LuciusBeebe]

I was banging out 15-18 credit hours per semester at TriState, for a 4 year EE, later changed to computer science. 2.5 years sounds really short to me.

But we're getting sidetracked. I'm still puzzled as to why one would bother getting a masters in security when he says they have no applicants.

[tdl_auburn]

I'm quite familiar with the university of phoenix online.

Why do you think I'm trying to discredit the degree? Because I've never heard of it, or because you got a Master's degree in less than 3 years?

The tone of your questions. My instructors included a current congressman, retired law enforcement administators, attornies, military officers, and security executives. I was "in class" every day, unlike a traditional class that might meet 2-3 times a week (if that). Essays were due every week (a royal pain in the butt). That's why I finished sooner.

[tdl_auburn]

I was banging out 15-18 credit hours per semester at TriState, for a 4 year EE, later changed to computer science. 2.5 years sounds really short to me.

But we're getting sidetracked. I'm still puzzled as to why one would bother getting a masters in security when he says they have no applicants.

When high profile clients look for leadership in secuirty it helps when one has a Master's Degree. I was thinking of the future...and it payed off because my next gig was awareded primarily because of that master's degree.

[TheBigB]

I was banging out 15-18 credit hours per semester at TriState, for a 4 year EE, later changed to computer science. 2.5 years sounds really short to me.

Are you guys talking about the time it takes to get a bachelor's degree THROUGH a master's, or just a master's degree alone?

[ebbieday]

...I am not talking about people from yours or my generation here...it's mostly the younger guys who could care less if they work or not. We even had one young guy who admitted that he only took the job with us because he wanted to collect unemployment again...

My husband got a call from one of the temp services this morning to tell him that they had a message on their machine when they got in today from a potential employee saying that he cannot take the job because he wanted to dissolve the rest of his unemployment money before he takes a job. I am sure he will be reported since that is not how it works. *sigh*

[james_t]

Are you guys talking about the time it takes to get a bachelor's degree THROUGH a master's, or just a master's degree alone?

I presumed tdl was talking about just a master's.

[tdl_auburn]

Are you guys talking about the time it takes to get a bachelor's degree THROUGH a master's, or just a master's degree alone?

I presumed tdl was talking about just a master's.

My bachelor's degree is actually in Theatre Performance...rather worthless in this area. I graduated from Huntington U. Took me 9 years because I transfered between Jackson Community College, Tri-State (no matter what they call it now; Trine?), and Huntington College (now University). The Masters, I buckled down and worked my butt off to complete as quickly as I could. You have to maintain a 3.0 to get a masters which differs a lot from the 2.0 you have to maintain for a bachelors. So combined, it took me almost 12 years to get the level of education I have now. Plus 5 years inbetween.

[TheBigB]

I presumed tdl was talking about just a master's.

I did, too, but I was too scared to point that out directly to LB. 2-3 years is pretty typical for masters degrees in most fields, at most of your traditional universities.

[LuciusBeebe]

So combined, it took me almost 12 years to get the level of education I have now. Plus 5 years inbetween.

You could've gotten a doctorate in security for all that time. Maybe even minored in metal detection. With a double bachelors in frisking. I'm not sure how they'd handle the frisking through an online course....

I did, too, but I was too scared to point that out directly to LB. 2-3 years is pretty typical for masters degrees in most fields, at most of your traditional universities.

Its been a loooooong time since I was there, I may be misremembering, to quote Clemens.

[james_t]

I did, too, but I was too scared to point that out directly to LB.

I'm pretty sure he doesn't bite, and if he did, that he has all his shots.

2-3 years is pretty typical for masters degrees in most fields, at most of your traditional universities.

That's what I thought - four for a bachelor's and two for a master's (maybe less) if you do grad school full-time.

[Night Owl]

I don't like the idea of the government regulating everything under the sun; gives them too much control of how people run their businesses. And the government has proven pretty poor at managing anything.

First: two of three reply quotes from thread #32 are attributed to me. Only the first one is mine. No idea where the other one came from, (requiring a degree). I take credit for what I say, but please do not put words in my mouth.

In response to the above reply to my quote:
I didn't say it should be required for businesses to respond, that would be a burden, but businesses should be able to have the option to file reports. The case Ebbieday reported is a perfect example.

[HoosierHelen]

My husband got a call from one of the temp services this morning to tell him that they had a message on their machine when they got in today from a potential employee saying that he cannot take the job because he wanted to dissolve the rest of his unemployment money before he takes a job. I am sure he will be reported since that is not how it works. *sigh*

Some people seem to need to learn the hard way...apparently this fellow is one of them. Pretty sure he will be knocking on the temp's doors very quickly once the unemployment runs out.

I do still have a problem with how the temp employers treat their temp employees like disposable paper towels...90 days and you are usually out. It would be great if those who met the requirements of the job were honestly offered the permanent job after 90 days. Occasionally, it does happen that a temp is offered a full time position, but that is not the norm. (especially in manufacturing jobs).

[LuciusBeebe]

Are you guys talking about the time it takes to get a bachelor's degree THROUGH a master's, or just a master's degree alone?

I was talking about bachelor's through masters. I didn't know how U of P Online ran things.

[tdl_auburn]

I was talking about bachelor's through masters. I didn't know how U of P Online ran things.

I believe the basic requirement was that you had to already have a bachelor's degree from an accredited school and 2-3 years experience in the field the master's was in.