Souder at TRINE

[HomeyG]

Pot....meet kettle.

Not quite. I've been known to criticize the right also.

[Graygleam]

But you seem to have a history of bringing to light the wrongdoings by the right while ignoring the left.

How would that have any bearing on what I had to say about Souder, Homey?

[Todd Ianuzzi]

Will Souder actually be teaching and Ethics class? I read the press release. It does not state that he will be teaching an ethics class. The program is a Masters in Science in Leadership.

It would not be unusual for a former politician to teach at a university, even one that resigned in the face of being outed for an affair. I was not up in Fort Wayne when Souder resigned. Some people have told me that Stutzsman leaked the information. Is that the case?

I pulled up what Souder had to say when he resigned:

I sinned against God, my wife and my family by having a mutual relationship with a part-time member of my staff,” Mr. Souder, 59, a lawmaker in his eighth term, said in a statement. “In the poisonous environment of Washington, D.C., any personal failing is seized upon, often twisted, for political gain. I am resigning rather than to put my family through that painful, drawn-out process.”

[HomeyG]

How would that have any bearing on what I had to say about Souder, Homey?

I'm not disagreeing with you when it comes to Souder or any other politician, whether right or left, if they are found of wrongdoing. I've just notice that there is a propensity among some Fence Posters of looking at those on the right and ignoring the left.

[Graygleam]

I'm not disagreeing with you when it comes to Souder or any other politician, whether right or left, if they are found of wrongdoing. I've just notice that there is a propensity among some Fence Posters of looking at those on the right and ignoring the left.

I agree with you, Homey. Do you think that might be because the Republicans bill themselves as the the "values party"? I am sure you will agree that you don't hear the Democrats claim, or at least insinuate that they are the only party with "Christian" or "family" values. Perhaps this explains it.

[HomeyG]

I agree with you, Homey. Do you think that might be because the Republicans bill themselves as the the "values party"? I am sure you will agree that you don't hear the Democrats claim, or at least insinuate that they are the only party with "Christian" or "family" values. Perhaps this explains it.

Do I understand you correctly that you are bothered more by his violation of his public statement of family values than the violation itself. It just seems that the left is getting a free pass because they didn't publicly announce they support family values. My philosophy is that if a politician will betray his family for his own personal gain he would have no problem betraying us regardless if he has made a public declaration of family values or if it is implied by having a family.

[Graygleam]

Do I understand you correctly that you are bothered more by his violation of his public statement of family values than the violation itself. It just seems that the left is getting a free pass because they didn't publicly announce they support family values. My philosophy is that if a politician will betray his family for his own personal gain he would have no problem betraying us regardless if he has made a public declaration of family values or if it is implied by having a family.

Why would you think that the left should get a free pass for anything? What John Edwards did was just as bad as what Souder did, arguably worse, and he certainly should not get a free pass. The difference, as I see it, is that Edwards didn't spend his whole life being holier-than-thou.

[HomeyG]

Why would you think that the left should get a free pass for anything? What John Edwards did was just as bad as what Souder did, arguably worse, and he certainly should not get a free pass. The difference, as I see it, is that Edwards didn't spend his whole life being holier-than-thou.

For every rule there's an exception. Edwards was that exception but in the big picture the left is more apt to get a free pass.

[Graygleam]

Edwards was that exception but in the big picture the left is more apt to get a free pass.

You base this statement on what, Homey ?

[hideaway70]

For every rule there's an exception. Edwards was that exception but in the big picture the left is more apt to get a free pass.

Clinton, Eliot Spitzer, Rod Blagojevich, Kerry's Swift Boat scandal, ACORN, Alan Mollohan, Henry Cisneros... Did any of these get a "free pass"?

[HoosierHelen]

Do I understand you correctly that you are bothered more by his violation of his public statement of family values than the violation itself. It just seems that the left is getting a free pass because they didn't publicly announce they support family values. My philosophy is that if a politician will betray his family for his own personal gain he would have no problem betraying us regardless if he has made a public declaration of family values or if it is implied by having a family.

Both Edwards and Sauder included their wives and children at public political events. That is great when a politician does this so that we also know the rest of his family as we get acquainted with him/her. It is unforgettable when their purpose is to use the family as their stage props so that they can deceive us and gain our votes. One willing to use their own family in such an insincere way has no respect comming from me.

I remember the 1st time I met Mark Sauder and his family at the Grabill fair when he was campaigning early in his career. He quickly introduced my husband and I to his wife and children and explained the depth of his family values to us. Oh Well!!! Life does go on...I prefer to omit those who have deceived me.

[Graygleam]

For every rule there's an exception. Edwards was that exception but in the big picture the left is more apt to get a free pass.

You base this statement on what, Homey ?

Yawn............Still waiting, Homey........

[HomeyG]

Yawn............Still waiting, Homey........

Sweet dreams!!!!!

[hairypumper]

A lot of focus is on his infidelity. What bothers me most is that Republicans kept voting for him after all the lies and broken promises. His entire platform when he first ran was "Term Limits". He went so far as to promise to limit his own term. The sad part is Republicans are gullible enough to fall for the whole term limit falacy. Intelligent people know term limits are already in place, they are called elections. When he broke his own term limit promise anyone who voted for him voted against ethics and honor. Anyone who voted for him is worse than him because they condone his type of behavior, worse yet they reward it.

[krazetrain]

It is no surprize that Trine hired Mark Souder. He sponsored earmarks amounting to hundreds of thousands of dollars, that went to the school. He just can't keep his views silent, even after asking that everyone should respect HIS families privacy, in his resignation. So it seems that the earmark money was to build the Mark Souder's legacy library. This judgemental POS, imposed his fraudelent morality on many Americans. His legislation about keeping anyone with a drug conviction (no matter how small) from ever getting a student loan. That has affected over 200,000 Hoosiers, that were denied a student loan. They make 1 mistake and he hammers them. But when he screws up (literally) he begs and cries for a 2nd chance. On the bright side, hopefully anyone that takes his course will get 1st hand knowledge and understanding of what is very wrong in our Government. If Trine was to have a dunk tank, with him sitting in the cage, they would draw more people than Glen Beck did. Also, he will probably be drawn back to the "poisoness environment" of Washington DC in the near future, as a lobbyist for the rich and the shameless. I don't want to hear what he has to say, it would all be lies anyway. There are still questions as to who he was really having sexcapades with, someday we may learn his name.

[tdl_auburn]

Has his curriculum been announced? I wasn't aware he was teaching an ethics class. Unless you all have the ability to see into the future.

[HoosierHelen]

Has his curriculum been announced? I wasn't aware he was teaching an ethics class. Unless you all have the ability to see into the future.

You are perhaps correct TDL? He will be guiding our youth on the topic of Professional Studies in Political Leadership. There is so much to be said in the words we use to describe the 'Leadership' role.

According to the university, Souder will use his experiences and educational background to develop a new concentration — political leadership and civic engagement — for the school’s master of science in leadership degree.

Each course will include examples from current public debate to illustrate the principles being studied. Trine University’s School of Professional Studies also will host a quarterly blog featuring community issues discussed by Souder.

http://www.fwdailynews.com/index.php...atest&Itemid=6

[tdl_auburn]

You are perhaps correct TDL? He will be guiding our youth on the topic of Professional Studies in Political Leadership. There is so much to be said in the words we use to describe the 'Leadership' role.

According to the university, Souder will use his experiences and educational background to develop a new concentration — political leadership and civic engagement — for the school’s master of science in leadership degree.

Each course will include examples from current public debate to illustrate the principles being studied. Trine University’s School of Professional Studies also will host a quarterly blog featuring community issues discussed by Souder.

http://www.fwdailynews.com/index.php...atest&Itemid=6

Are you only concerned about him having an affair or are there other things that have you concerned about him teaching at a graduate level? If it's strictly the affair do you think someone like Clinton would be better? He too had an affair which most people seeme completely unconcerned about. Yet a Republican does it and suddenly it's a big deal.

[Graygleam]

Are you only concerned about him having an affair or are there other things that have you concerned about him teaching at a graduate level? If it's strictly the affair do you think someone like Clinton would be better? He too had an affair which most people seeme completely unconcerned about. Yet a Republican does it and suddenly it's a big deal.

Is Clinton teaching at Trine?

[krazetrain]

Yet a Republican does it and suddenly it's a big deal.

It is a big deal, because it was with someone of the opposite sex! Unless the truth has yet to reveal itself!