Damaged DeKalb Sheriff's Patrol Car

[michael medeski]

That one's from the News Sun. Like krazetrain noted earlier, the News Sun and the Star handle them differently.

sorry james. i guess you don't need that foot........... although i do recall an injury in the first unreported accident.

i also notice the blotter differs. some include more details and some are submitted more often than others. i just assumed the guidelines were the same seeing how the blotter link is the same regardless of the edition.

i think KPC needs to set the same policies for all of them. it makes things look biased.

[armyda]

What are the other excuses you are ready to present as to why the public should not be informed when our mutually owned community property has experienced damage and loss in value? I own shares in a local privately owned corporation. We have several company vehicles. When any of those vehicles experience damage or maintenance failure, I do receive a notice as a shareholder in the company informing me as to the nature of the loss and/or expense. (YES..it isi a small locally owned corportion..not on the General Motors size of corporations). Auburn...is NOT too large to be capable of reporting our losses to it's taxpayers. WHY Army do you object to reporting this info?

Maybe because when a police officer has an accident they get this:

i'm guessing cops fault.....i think james_t should set up a poll for other guesses.

and this:

Makes you wonder what else they don't tell us...
I'm Just Sayin...

So please tell me why these people deserve to be singled out for criticism for something that has happened to many people. Some of the past complaints on here have implied that the Police get a different standard when it comes to tickets being issued. The complaint being is that there are two standards. Yet you state here that you want a different standard for them than yourself. Justify that to me.

[HoosierHelen]

Army, I don't feel that we have a problem with drunken or irresponsible driving by our local Police in DeKalb County at all. I simply believe it would be good public policy for our local papers to report the incidents. Primarily so that those who might speculate about the missing stories, will not need to do this. Personally, I have no problems with either the Auburn and/or DeKalb law enforcement. Well....except they should have investigated the car in the field a few years ago where a poor man froze to death because they didn't realize he was still in it. I cannot think of that fellows name right now.

Hopefully our local law enforcement has corrected policies so that has less of a chance occurring in the future. I feel your objections are coming from your loyalty and appreciation for our LE. PLEASE understand, I do share that.

There are times they do stupid stuff...like the affair in a police car a yr or so ago. The problem was handled, I was okay with the outcome. We are all human...we do make mistakes. Thank goodness this wasn't Egypt where he might have had a member cut off his body!! Hopefully he learned from his indescretion and has matured from the experience.

[armyda]

Helen,

That isn't an answer to the question of double standards.

[hideaway70]

Police officers' salaries and the cars they drive are paid for with tax dollars. They should be held to a different standard, army.

[HomeyG]

This would probably be best answered by Mike. Are there any other government vehicles (other than police) that are involved in accidents and not reported by KPC? If the answer is yes, than are we only targeting accidents involving police officers?

[HoosierHelen]

Helen,

That isn't an answer to the question of double standards.

Hidaway has got it right. No double standard here at all. We all are held accountable to those who write our paychecks. Whether we are private employees or public employees...there is no escaping accountability. Heck, I've had a company car for years that was subject to a surprise inspection covering the cleanness of the vehicle and the records for it's maintenance (oil changes, engine checks, etc). I best be able to provide those records upon request, or I stood at risk of loosing my priviledge of having a company car. That company rule made common sence to me? Why would they trust a vehicle to someone who isn't responsible enough to maintain it and it's records? ABSOLUTELY, if I had ever been involved in a car accident, it was mandatory that the details of this incident be filed with our corporation ASAP.

I never felt offended because I was required to sign that agreement. Good Grief! I did NOT own the vehicle, in the course of my duties, I was required to drive to various plant locations and the corporation made their vehicle available to me. It was a good job, so...the corporate owners of the vehicles required honest and timely reporting of any incidents that occurred with their corporate vehicles....this made total sence to me?

I am hearing what James is saying...due to the delays in response from the City/County government offices, they have been unable to report the damage to our community in a timely manner. (at least that is how I understood his response?) I'm hoping a more timely reporting of damage to public property can be provided whether it be to local LE vehicles or public schools, or the court house, etc. Delayed reporting does cause locals to be wondering what is going on.

It would never be considered to be acceptable at my past employer to have had an accident and waited 7-15 days to file the report with their HR. IF the complete report was not yet available, we were required to at least file our side of the story with them. Then their lawyers & insurance company waited to receive the response. I believe that to be a reasonable reporting requirement from any owner of property.

[photoboy]

I talked to a State Police officer and he said that they don't send press releases on non-personal injury accidents. So, it doesn't really appear that the information was withheld, just not provided.

[tdl_auburn]

Maybe Mike should resign from the common council and become a freelance reporter since he's clearly more adept at stirring the pot than working with other council member to actually accomplish anything newsworthy himself.

[james_t]

I talked to a State Police officer and he said that they don't send press releases on non-personal injury accidents. So, it doesn't really appear that the information was withheld, just not provided.

There should still be a report that we can get access to, though.

[HoosierHelen]

Maybe Mike should resign from the common council and become a freelance reporter since he's clearly more adept at stirring the pot than working with other council member to actually accomplish anything newsworthy himself.

Mike is very adept at holding up for accountability and honesty in our city council. He is not pointing fingers at individuals in this case, but rather at a process that needs to be made better. I believe that fits well within his job responsibilities.

[Graygleam]

I talked to a State Police officer and he said that they don't send press releases on non-personal injury accidents. So, it doesn't really appear that the information was withheld, just not provided.

If you had a serious accident and were bleeding heavily, would you rather have help withheld, or just not provided?

[tdl_auburn]

Mike is very adept at holding up for accountability and honesty in our city council. He is not pointing fingers at individuals in this case, but rather at a process that needs to be made better. I believe that fits well within his job responsibilities.

Then why is he only focusing on the police and conservative initiatives. Why not focus on the corrupt Department of Child Services in our country? Oh, yeah... that's a department within social services... a more liberal supported beurocracy.

[Graygleam]

Then why is he only focusing on the police and conservative initiatives. Why not focus on the corrupt Department of Child Services in our country? Oh, yeah... that's a department within social services... a more liberal supported beurocracy.

I am curious how you know that the Department of Child Services in DeKalb county is corrupt. Or is that just your opinion?

[hideaway70]

Then why is he only focusing on the police and conservative initiatives. Why not focus on the corrupt Department of Child Services in our country? Oh, yeah... that's a department within social services... a more liberal supported beurocracy.

You're kind of a one-hit wonder aren't ya?

[michael medeski]

I am curious how you know that the Department of Child Services in DeKalb county is corrupt. Or is that just your opinion?

remember gray? tdl has been investigated by them. here are his accusations.......

A few years ago I had a run in with them that stretched on for about a year due to something my wife at the time had done (now ex-wife).

They would schedule emergency hearings with the judge based on speculation and rumors without involving anyone else. They'd come and take the kids away and I'd have to battle child services to get them returned through the court...and

They lie, they twist stories, they write false reports, they schedule secret "emergency" hearings with judges with no chance for the accused party to rebut anything, have very little formal education, and act as though they have powers that they do not. Even going so far as to attempt to dictate consequences for people when ONLY a judge can do so (this came up in court).

Here's a big part of the problem. The ladies that serve as case workers are highly retalitory. No attorney really wants to cross them because attornies may have other cases where they rely on the cooperation of child services with other clients. So they don't want to point out problems with child services case workers for fear that in the next case the department will refuse to work with them.

The case worker wrote a letter and accused me of violating court orders based soley on the accusations of my ex-wife She'd also voluntarily given me information about the case after I was no longer involved with that part of the case. Information she had no right to share with me....information I did not solicit. So she was in the wrong. Yet she held that against me because I had come forward and done the right thing by pointing out her inappropriate behavior. I was told that if I tried to press my agenda the case worker was just going to suggest to the judge that the kids all be turned back over to the mother, even though she hadn't yet completed the things child services had originally asked that she do.

They retaliate agaisnt people. It's illegal and I don't understand why they are allowed to do it.

I was put off by very young women who had no children or extensive training working with kids, trying to advise me, as a parent, how to discipline my children. I was told that as long as the case was open, no form of "corpral punishment" was permitted. So I told her she was an idiot and to come back when she's worked enough with children to be able to tell me how to interact with kids. She had no idea what I was talking about. These are NOT people that should be case workers.

[Rosco P. Coltrane]

Oh, yeah... that's a department within social services... a more liberal supported beurocracy.

if it was a liberal supported bureaucracy, wouldn't dekalb county's republican political stronghold fight against the liberal corruption?

[Graygleam]

if it was a liberal supported bureaucracy, wouldn't dekalb county's republican political stronghold fight against the liberal corruption?

I would like to know exactly WHAT a "liberal supported bureaucracy" is.

[Mike_Walter]

This would probably be best answered by Mike. Are there any other government vehicles (other than police) that are involved in accidents and not reported by KPC? ***

I don't know. It's one of Don Rumsfeld's "unknown unknowns."

Maybe Mike should resign from the common council and become a freelance reporter since he's clearly more adept at stirring the pot than working with other council member to actually accomplish anything newsworthy himself.

1. Why freelance? Don't you think that The Star would hire me?
2. I think we're making good progress on the utility deposit ordinance.

Then why is he only focusing on the police and conservative initiatives. Why not focus on the corrupt Department of Child Services in our country? Oh, yeah... that's a department within social services... a more liberal supported beurocracy.

I focus on what I know about (like a banged-up patrol car parked in plain view) and on what I think I can do something about.

[krazetrain]

Then why is he only focusing on the police and conservative initiatives. Why not focus on the corrupt Department of Child Services in our country? Oh, yeah... that's a department within social services... a more liberal supported beurocracy.

Personally, I don't think it would matter to you what Mike Walter was doing, you would find something to be unhappy about. Now, with you being educated in the feild you are, why would you want someone locally to investigate another county office that percieve to be corrupt? An investigation of any corruption ( in your opinion), would most likely be handled through the State Police and the State Attorney General's office. Rather than complain in an open forum, have you actually, sent any info to the State Police or the Attorney General's office? Your schooling would of certainly explained to you how to file a valid complaint. If you actually did, was there any action taken? Or do you think that they are all corrupt? If you haven't filed a complaint, have you asked to see if anyone else has? Mike Walter is not the person who would be doing the investigating, let him do the job that he continues to be RE -elected to do!