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    Default Web Access to DeKalb County GIS Mapping

    Sometimes our tax dollars really do go for something we can use. Want to access some reasonably up-to-date GIS maps of DeKalb County? Then go to this link:

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    Heck, you got me all excited, too!

    This service is CRAP.

    I've been waiting years for DeKalb to get its **** together with online GIS and THIS is what they get?

    They should have gone with Beacon like Steuben, Lagrange and Noble did. Beacon is an incredible provider with a very streamlined service that integrates the tax info with the parcel info as well as aerial photos (not generic Google maps crap).

    THIS is a real GIS provider.

    http://beacon.schneidercorp.com/Default.aspx

    Sorry if I sound like an *******, but your link really got my hopes up.
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    Default Re: Web Access to DeKalb County GIS Mapping

    Quote Originally Posted by evilkumquat View Post
    Heck, you got me all excited, too!

    This service is CRAP.

    I've been waiting years for DeKalb to get its **** together with online GIS and THIS is what they get?

    They should have gone with Beacon like Steuben, Lagrange and Noble did. Beacon is an incredible provider with a very streamlined service that integrates the tax info with the parcel info as well as aerial photos (not generic Google maps crap).

    THIS is a real GIS provider.

    http://beacon.schneidercorp.com/Default.aspx

    Sorry if I sound like an *******, but your link really got my hopes up.
    Actually, for a pure mapping application, this looks pretty decent. Sure, it doesn't have the tax info in it, but it has a lot more information than Google Maps. Moving around and controlling the view are both somewhat intuitive, and the orthophotography is very good quality. The search feature is a little weak, and having to do a search to get the assessed values (rather than clicking on the map) is not very obvious, but I think you're being a bit too critical. Give it some time and I bet they will improve the capabilities.

    Does anyone here know how much was invested in this system vs. the investment in the Beacon system at the other counties? This could very well have been a real bargain for what was delivered. I'm all for enterprise GIS, but the cost of it vs. the value is not always easy to justify.

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    Well....Beacon does not work in DeKalb County (at least where I live). At least GIS does present the outline of our property on their map (including my hummingbird bush in the backyard) :-) Hopefully they improve on the defination on the GIS pixels in the near future? They do have the content.
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    Many counties in Indiana use the Schneider Corporation’s Beacon website as their public GIS interface including Huntington, Kosciusko, Lagrange, Noble, Steuben, Wells and Whitley. I believe Beacon works very well for some communities but isn’t a fit for every situation. Using Beacon was explored as an option for a local online GIS presence at several points during GIS development in DeKalb County but a different direction was chosen for several reasons.

    The DeKalb County GIS Partnership is named CoCiGIS (pronounced kō-sē-jis) which is short for County-City GIS. The partnership was formed by the County and the City of Auburn in 1998 with the Cities of Butler and Garrett joining at later dates. Other DeKalb County communities were given opportunities to join but haven’t for various reasons. The CoCiGIS website can be found at www.cocigis.us. The header contains links to information on the GIS Committee (contact info), the partnership (history and some cost information for the initial data development), data and maps, GIS education, news and the required website disclaimer.

    Several things went into the decision to develop a locally controlled and hosted GIS website instead of using a third-party host such as the Beacon site. I recall the main concerns being cost, flexibility, adaptability, and efficiency (but not necessarily in that order).
    Cost – Research with several other NE Indiana counties indicated a start-up cost for the Beacon website was in the range of $4,000 to $7,000 for the basic site with additional start-up costs for enhancements or modifications the County might need. The hosting cost for the site then ranged from $700 to $1,200 per month ($8,400 to $14,400 per year) in perpetuity. Several factors such as county size, etc appear to affect the start-up and monthly costs. We try to get “double-duty” out of our software and equipment where possible. The servers and software used by CoCiGIS to provide our public site were for the most part already acquired for our own internal uses to provide data to local government offices so the additional costs for our public website have been negligible.
    Flexibility - Beacon website users are provided with a single website hosting all the GIS information in a single application. That can be useful for some purposes but the CoCiGIS team identified several instances where a more focused, theme-oriented map would be better. For instance most people other than land surveyors don’t care about the County’s information on the PLSS section corners. Similarly, most people other than those with environmental interests aren’t interested in the location of wetlands and/or soil types. As the number of layers added to the table of contents becomes larger it becomes more time consuming and complex for a casual user to sort through it to find just the particular data they might want to view. By developing and hosting the site locally we can develop as many different mapping applications as necessary to address specific needs and can do so using local staff. Although there are no plans currently on the table, in the future this could possibly extend to specific map applications requested by organizations such as the local economic development partnership, chambers of commerce, civic groups, etc.
    Adaptability – By hosting the site locally we can make changes to the map applications as necessary to respond to changing needs and/or requests from our local government users (assuming the data is available and the technology supports the requests). Additionally, if we need to change the structure of a data set to supply more or less information we can do so without requiring a private firm to make changes to the site on their schedule then bill us for the work.
    Efficiency – The CoCiGIS team currently develops task-specific maps for various county and city offices. In several instances we have made minor changes to existing maps and used them for other purposes. In other cases we have re-purposes existing data sets and used them to support additional tasks. An example would be the fact that we have been able to use an existing sex offender map (see below) and the buffer data contained therein to also support the County Prosecutor’s drug case prosecution efforts so the map and the data set each serve multiple purposes. Some of those applications also provide information that the public is interested in receiving so those maps can often serve as the basis for a web-map application with little or no modification. And in those cases a very few number of people can create and maintain data that others can electronically consume without the time and effort to update it themselves.
    The data and maps section of the CoCiGIS website currently has a single link to the parcel mapping application (map accessed via the URL provided by Mike Walters). Additional links are planned and in several cases are already under development. For instance links to the Public Access to Tax Information website and to a GIS-based sex offender residency map should be made available shortly. The PATI application (http://pati.co.dekalb.in.us/default.aspx) provides property tax information for the parcels in the County and is already available through the County Treasurer’s website. The sex offender map (http://gis.cocigis.us/cocigis-sexoffendermap/) shows the location of registered offenders in DeKalb County as they have been reported to the County Sheriff’s Dept. It also shows the location of the 1000’ buffer around certain “protected uses” (schools, public parks, state-registered day care facilities and youth program centers) wherein certain classes of registered offenders are not legally allowed to reside. This information is updated daily through cooperative efforts between the DeKalb County Sheriff’s Dept and the DeKalb County GIS Dept. A floodplain management mapping application is under development. Plans are to show the location of the mapped floodplains in the County and, assuming FEMA can find all the information we have requested, to also show how the mapped information has been subsequently changed by the various Letters of Map Change FEMA has issued. Other applications either planned or under development are environmental maps (floodplains, contours, wetlands, soil types, etc), zoning maps, section corner maps (useful for surveyors) and probably some project specific maps for public comment on projects like the City of Garrett’s upcoming Safe Routes To School planning study. One statewide mapping application has recently been developed on behalf of the Aviation Association of Indiana using local GIS and County Airport staff working on their own time. The aviation map uses a combination of locally hosted GIS information and data hosted by one or more State agencies. It is currently being hosted by CoCiGIS and can be viewed at http://gis.cocigis.us/dekalb-aaimap/.

    As with most websites there are things that can and hopefully will be improved. Some are due to technology issues while others are data/resource issues. For instance the printing function takes a little experimenting to get right and even then it’s lacking when compared to the maps we print using the desktop GIS software we use on a daily basis. The other tools may take a little time to learn but the help button in the upper right corner of the screen provides basic instructions. We can also help walk you through the screens so call the County GIS Department at 260-927-2356 if you need further help. And my apologies for the length or the response.

    Brad Stump
    DeKalb County GIS Coordinator

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    Steuben County's Beacon site allows for one-stop shopping for county officials, surveyors, title companies, real estate agents, appraisers, bankers and anyone else who needs access to county records; this saves countless man hours from people calling or showing up to the county offices (albeit the Steuben clerks are not always exactly the friendliest or most helpful in any case, while DeKalb's have always been extremely polite and helpful).

    Another Beacon benefit: almost EVERY SINGLE TAXPAYER can not only research their own tax information, but PAY directly from the site (again saving precious man hours by county employees processing questions or payments).

    Why would DeKalb go with something like they did when they had much, much better technology already developed AND implemented by surrounding counties (allowing DeKalb the opportunity to ask their neighbors for references)?

    The cynic in me wonders if kickbacks weren't involved. That is extremely unfair of me and I don't expect that's the case, but for crying out loud it would at least be more logical!
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    Quote Originally Posted by evilkumquat View Post
    Steuben County's Beacon site allows for one-stop shopping for county officials, surveyors, title companies, real estate agents, appraisers, bankers and anyone else who needs access to county records; this saves countless man hours from people calling or showing up to the county offices (albeit the Steuben clerks are not always exactly the friendliest or most helpful in any case, while DeKalb's have always been extremely polite and helpful).

    Another Beacon benefit: almost EVERY SINGLE TAXPAYER can not only research their own tax information, but PAY directly from the site (again saving precious man hours by county employees processing questions or payments).

    Why would DeKalb go with something like they did when they had much, much better technology already developed AND implemented by surrounding counties (allowing DeKalb the opportunity to ask their neighbors for references)?

    The cynic in me wonders if kickbacks weren't involved. That is extremely unfair of me and I don't expect that's the case, but for crying out loud it would at least be more logical!
    Evil...I did not know of the Beacon benefits such as Taxpayers research and payment options. If it should be simply a matter of clarity on the pixels..I could live with it while the system progresses. Once again..you raise some very valid questions. As a DeKalb resident and taxpayer...I do intend to ask. Thanks for this input.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoosierHelen View Post
    Evil...I did not know of the Beacon benefits such as Taxpayers research and payment options. If it should be simply a matter of clarity on the pixels..I could live with it while the system progresses. Once again..you raise some very valid questions. As a DeKalb resident and taxpayer...I do intend to ask. Thanks for this input.
    Just go to the Steuben County GIS site and check out the way records are accessed there.

    There's no comparison to how much better Beacon is. I admit not being a citizen of DeKalb and my interest in accessing the public records are purely professional. However, if I were a resident of DeKalb, I suppose I would be even more irate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evilkumquat View Post
    Steuben County's Beacon site allows for one-stop shopping for county officials, surveyors, title companies, real estate agents, appraisers, bankers and anyone else who needs access to county records; this saves countless man hours from people calling or showing up to the county offices (albeit the Steuben clerks are not always exactly the friendliest or most helpful in any case, while DeKalb's have always been extremely polite and helpful).

    Another Beacon benefit: almost EVERY SINGLE TAXPAYER can not only research their own tax information, but PAY directly from the site (again saving precious man hours by county employees processing questions or payments).
    When you have an opportunity I would ask that you check out DeKalb County's PATI site as mentioned in my initial post. Like the Beacon site, the PATI site also allows every single taxpayer to research their own information and to pay directly from the site via a link to the County's existing PayGov site.

    Quote Originally Posted by evilkumquat View Post
    Why would DeKalb go with something like they did when they had much, much better technology already developed AND implemented by surrounding counties (allowing DeKalb the opportunity to ask their neighbors for references)?).
    Please see earlier comments on the research that was done with adjoining counties as well as the issues of cost, flexibility, etc. Also please check out links such as the sex offender map.

    Quote Originally Posted by evilkumquat View Post
    The cynic in me wonders if kickbacks weren't involved. That is extremely unfair of me and I don't expect that's the case, but for crying out loud it would at least be more logical!
    Although you have nothing other than my word, I for one can attest that there were absolutely no kickbacks involved. Not only is it "extremely unfair" as you yourself noted but I would argue that it's also highly illogical to make that type of assumption in this circumstance. Logically, if you thought through the line of reasoning, how could you have arrived at a "kickback" being involved for a decision to NOT use somebody's software and instead perform the task using your own resources without spending additional money. It would be more logical for a kickback be offered to induce someone to USE your services rather than to NOT use your services. And through our work with local law enforcement we have formed close-enough relationships that we wouldn't hesitate to report anyone offering a kickback.

    I am glad the Beacon site does satisfy your informational needs in the Steuben County area. I'm hopeful that the PATI site and other DeKalb County offerings will do the same for your informational needs in our area. Having geospatial data available is extremely useful for many different reasons.

    Respectfully,

    Brad Stump
    DeKalb County GIS Coordinator
    Last edited by BradStump; 04-07-2011 at 03:47 PM. Reason: fixing typos

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    Brad, I just left the Dekalb Pati site. I found partial information on our property (ie the price of our property taxes). I still could not pull up a photo of our home (much less the hummingbird bush in our backyard). At least the link that Mike W. provided did show the outline of our home, property and my prized hummingbird bush. The clarity was missing in comparison to the Beacon site. Mike's link does show the outline of our home, garage, and yard. On the Pati link, I only see our property lines? Perhaps, I just don't know how to use the link? I didn't have a problem using Beacon's site or Mike's link??

    Can I view a picture of my home on Pati Link for DeKalb?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoosierHelen View Post
    Can I view a picture of my home on Pati Link for DeKalb?
    Helen, if I am understanding you correctly, you can view aerial photography by changing your view, which is one of three options at the very top right-hand corner of the map. There are three options: streets (default, no photos), imagery (pictures), and blend.
    If you change this from streets to imagery, I think you'll get what you are looking for.

    Brad, the Pati site makes me re-start my browser is 32-bit mode. That's really annoying.
    But other than that little complaint, I think the Pati plus DeKalb's GIS does everything it could. I have used the GIS site on many occasions previously, but never heard of the pati site before. Thanks for all the info!
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    Helen, Nathan's info was dead on. Switch to the imagery mode and you can see the same photography you see on the County GIS map that Mike mentioned. I go to the GIS site for most things unless I need the more detailed tax info provided by the PATI site. The desktop GIS program we use is far more powerful than those available through web browsers but at the price of increased complexity, steeper learning curve and much, much higher cost of acquisition.

    Nathan, I can't say for certain but I believe your browser issues might be related to instances where older-versions of Flash would not work in 64-bit browsers. I believe a 64-bit version of flash is available. I can't guarantee that will solve the problem but it's one possibility. For what it's worth my County-issued laptop uses a 64-bit OS and accesses the site without restarting but I don't recall if it uses a 32- or 64-bit browser.
    Last edited by BradStump; 04-08-2011 at 10:10 AM. Reason: added additional info

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    Quote Originally Posted by BradStump View Post
    Nathan, I can't say for certain but I believe your browser issues might be related to instances where older-versions of Flash would not work in 64-bit browsers. I believe a 64-bit version of flash is available. I can't guarantee that will solve the problem but it's one possibility. For what it's worth my County-issued laptop uses a 64-bit OS and accesses the site without restarting but I don't recall if it uses a 32- or 64-bit browser.
    Brad,
    I finally bit the bullet and installed the current version of Microsoft Silverlight, and it now works in 64-bit mode. I wasn't installing that because I don't exactly trust Microsoft to produce decent software, but I don't want to get into a PC vs. Mac discussion.
    But once I did that, it looks to be working great.

    Thanks for all your hard work, Brad!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nathandiehl View Post
    Helen, if I am understanding you correctly, you can view aerial photography by changing your view, which is one of three options at the very top right-hand corner of the map. There are three options: streets (default, no photos), imagery (pictures), and blend.
    If you change this from streets to imagery, I think you'll get what you are looking for.

    Brad, the Pati site makes me re-start my browser is 32-bit mode. That's really annoying.
    But other than that little complaint, I think the Pati plus DeKalb's GIS does everything it could. I have used the GIS site on many occasions previously, but never heard of the pati site before. Thanks for all the info!
    Thanks Nathan and Brad. Your suggestions were right on. I can see my home in full color as well as the hummingbird bush. (just not the birds...LOL!) I do like this site. It appears we can also pay our property taxes here? Because I always begin as a skeptic ...I must ask...are tax payments posted dependably from here? Does anyone know?

    Very happy to learn about this site.
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