Julie Cole Leaving

[TheBigB]

It's pretty obvious to me that nobody here is familiar with passive traffic calming. Isn't the whole idea to use open vehicle doors, and live human beings, to slow down the semis - maybe even encouraging them to drive elsewhere?

[bigbass]

It's pretty obvious to me that nobody here is familiar with passive traffic calming. Isn't the whole idea to use open vehicle doors, and live human beings, to slow down the semis - maybe even encouraging them to drive elsewhere?

I agree Mike, but then again, do we really need a full 12 inches of room to get out of our cars? All kidding aside, it does feel like one of those issues that will be ignored until someone gets hurt, doesn't it?

[TheBigB]

Is Angola prevented from installing 4-way stops along Maumee and North Wayne at the 2 nearest intersections?

[nathandiehl]

Is Angola prevented from installing 4-way stops along Maumee and North Wayne at the 2 nearest intersections?

Yes and No.

N Wayne would be no problem, I think.

Maumee is US 20, and Angola has absolutely no control over this street. US 20 is managed by INDOT, not Angola.

[TheBigB]

Yes and No.

N Wayne would be no problem, I think.

Maumee is US 20, and Angola has absolutely no control over this street. US 20 is managed by INDOT, not Angola.

North Wayne is technically Indiana State Route 127 - it ends at the mound. I can't imagine that it was that difficult to get all the stoplights installed there that they have.

Slap 4-way stops at Washington, West, Martha, and Elizabeth, and the speeding semi problem goes away. It also annoys the trucks enough that many choose not to use Angola to save a few bucks on tolls. The only conclusion I can reach, given that this would be an obvious thing to try, is that INDOT won't allow this for whatever reason.

[armyda]

North Wayne is technically Indiana State Route 127 - it ends at the mound. I can't imagine that it was that difficult to get all the stoplights installed there that they have.

Slap 4-way stops at Washington, West, Martha, and Elizabeth, and the speeding semi problem goes away. It also annoys the trucks enough that many choose not to use Angola to save a few bucks on tolls. The only conclusion I can reach, given that this would be an obvious thing to try, is that INDOT won't allow this for whatever reason.

And what is your legal basis for putting up those 4-way stops?

IC 9-21-4-1
Signing, marking, and erection; guidelines
Sec. 1. A governmental agency in Indiana that is responsible for the signing, marking, and erection of traffic control devices on streets and highways within Indiana shall follow the Indiana Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices for Streets and Highways.

Or maybe you want to consider the safety and liability:

Many times unwarranted stop signs are installed to control traffic. The Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD)(16) describes warrants for installing multi-way stop signs. However, it does not describe many of the problems caused by the installation of unwarranted stop signs. These problems include concerns like liability issues, traffic noise, automobile pollution, traffic enforcement and driver behavior.


Sorry, you need more of a reason for 4-way stops than "I want one"

[TheBigB]

And what is your legal basis for putting up those 4-way stops?
Sorry, you need more of a reason for 4-way stops than "I want one"

I don't live in Angola, and probably spend an average of a half hour a year on the Mound. "Want" would be a gross exaggeration of my interest level. I'm just throwing darts, suggesting an action that would make the trucks go away.

The liability point is a good one - and is probably reason why we've not seen that suggested by anybody official. Pollution, though? I'd be willing to be a month of lunches at Sutton's that if you put up stop signs, the overall air quality would be much better, as the semis would disappear.

What would be your suggestion?

[RaceFan]

here's a test you can do racefan. grab a ruler and go park on west maumee across from city hall. open your door and stand next to your vehicle. wait for a semi to come then measure the distance from your open door to the big rig with said ruler. i'll bet you won't need all 12 inches of it.

First off I wasn't talking about the parking where you come off the Public Square onto West Maumee or East Maumee, more about the parking in each corner of the square it's self. I realize it's close coming off the square,Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.

[HoosierHelen]

I agree Mike, but then again, do we really need a full 12 inches of room to get out of our cars? All kidding aside, it does feel like one of those issues that will be ignored until someone gets hurt, doesn't it?

Unfortunately, Bigbass, I believe you will be correct on this one.

[TheBigB]

I agree Mike, but then again, do we really need a full 12 inches of room to get out of our cars? All kidding aside, it does feel like one of those issues that will be ignored until someone gets hurt, doesn't it?

Yeah, like a city worker being crushed to death by a semi?

[admittedly that one wasn't speeding]

Ship sailed on that one a long time ago.

[armyda]

I don't live in Angola, and probably spend an average of a half hour a year on the Mound. "Want" would be a gross exaggeration of my interest level. I'm just throwing darts, suggesting an action that would make the trucks go away.

The liability point is a good one - and is probably reason why we've not seen that suggested by anybody official. Pollution, though? I'd be willing to be a month of lunches at Sutton's that if you put up stop signs, the overall air quality would be much better, as the semis would disappear.

What would be your suggestion?

Go read that 2nd link I posted and see what it says happens to Air quality, or the costs that will be incurred by the everyday local residents because of putting up those stop signs.

[TheBigB]

Go read that 2nd link I posted and see what it says happens to Air quality, or the costs that will be incurred by the everyday local residents because of putting up those stop signs.

Assuming that I entirely concede your point, then please suggest an alternative. It seems that the majority of people on the InterWeb prefer picking apart other people's suggestions rather than to offer alternatives.

[HomeyG]

I don't live in Angola, and probably spend an average of a half hour a year on the Mound. "Want" would be a gross exaggeration of my interest level. I'm just throwing darts, suggesting an action that would make the trucks go away.

The liability point is a good one - and is probably reason why we've not seen that suggested by anybody official. Pollution, though? I'd be willing to be a month of lunches at Sutton's that if you put up stop signs, the overall air quality would be much better, as the semis would disappear.

What would be your suggestion?

Likewise BigB I'm not a frequent visitor to Angola. But if you want the truckers to disappear put up signs on each end of Maumee saying WEIGH STATION AHEAD, they'll avoid it like the plague. All joking aside these planned changes shouldn't be a surprise, I'm assuming they are following their DOWNTOWN 20/20 PLAN.

http://www.angoladowntown.com/pdf/An...Plan_LoRes.pdf

[armyda]

Assuming that I entirely concede your point, then please suggest an alternative. It seems that the majority of people on the InterWeb prefer picking apart other people's suggestions rather than to offer alternatives.

I'm afraid I don't have an alternative idea on how to ban semis from a National Truck Route.

[michael medeski]

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so it seems miss cole didn't like your questions evil. nice job!

[evilkumquat]

I'm afraid I don't have an alternative idea on how to ban semis from a National Truck Route.

It's not up to cities like Angola to try and regulate traffic on state or Federal highways.

In fact, if they do (which was once a stated goal of the Downtown Revitalization project), I would think the city would just open itself up to lawsuits by trucking companies, let alone state or Federal governing bodies.

For example: Truck Company A has a route that takes it from northern Ohio to Northern Illinois. Instead of paying tolls, its trucks have been taking a LEGAL route on US Highway 20 for years. This route takes it through Angola. One day, the company bookkeepers notice an increase in fees due to its drivers taking the toll road because it's just too difficult to travel through Angola since the changes. Now this same book keeper happens to find a plans published by Angola's planners hoping the new layout will discourage semi traffic.

Wouldn't you think Truck Company A has a pretty good case against the city for trade infringement? Who is the city to declare what kind of traffic shall be allowed on a state highway?

[TheBigB]

I'm afraid I don't have an alternative idea on how to ban semis from a National Truck Route.

I never said "ban".

So you have no problem with all the semis going around the Mound, especially those that are going from the Ohio Toll Road to I-69 and are using 20 to simply save money on their toll?

[evilkumquat]

I'm still curious how a public official is able to pull such weight with a newspaper to have content questioning her professional behavior pulled.

[bigbass]

I'm still curious how a public official is able to pull such weight with a newspaper to have content questioning her professional behavior pulled.

Probably has a lot to do with the cost of free speech EK.

[TheBigB]

I'm still curious how a public official is able to pull such weight with a newspaper to have content questioning her professional behavior pulled.

I think one of your accusations crossed the potential "slander" line, but you and I know which post was edited.