Dean Kruse on the run?

[evilkumquat]

Are you kidding me? I can read,...and, with all due modesty, fairly well. This situation is pretty simple... Kruse sold other people's automobiles at auction. He received the money from the buyer who took possession of the automobile. Took his commission. BUT Kruse was required to give the rest of money to the person who actually owned the car. Right then. That did not happen. Kruse kept the money and did not give the money to the owner. This is the money that he is debt for. That is the money that he kept from the OWNERS of the AUTOMOBILES that he sold. That is the debt of which "he only owes about $ 2.2 million." It was not his money to keep. It is other people's money that they deserve, not this wonderful civic leader's (see def. of sarcasm). In any other world than his (and perhaps yours) that is theft or fraud. It is illegal. That is also why he lost his auction license last year. Get out of the clouds--he should be in jail. Right now.

I think the problem is people don't recognize the difference between criminal and civil acts here. They think Kruse just didn't pay his bills and should be able to seek financial protection like bankruptcy as if he defaulted on a mortgage or car loan.

For those confused about why Kruse should see jail time, here are two examples:

Person A applies for a credit card in his own name, using his own social security number. He has a well-paying job and makes his payments on the card as agreed. One day, he loses his job and is no longer able to make the required payments. Yes, he technically received goods or services for which he didn't pay, but he is not guilty of a criminal act because there was no intention of committing fraud. Therefore, this is a civil matter for the courts to decide should the credit card company sue him. He will not see jail time.

Person B gets a credit card using a fake name and social security number. He has no intention of paying it back and runs up as many charges as possible before the card no longer works. He committed a criminal act because he got the card using fraudulent means and never intended on paying anything back. In a perfect world, he would get caught and serve some time in prison.

Dean Kruse's actions fit into the second category. He received property to sell at auction. He sold it at auction. He had, in his possession, the funds from the sale. He didn't release those funds to their rightful owner. Instead, in effect he stole those funds to pay other bills.

That is fraud. This is a CRIMINAL act, not a civil act.

Therefore, he should be prosecuted just like any other petty thief.

[hideaway70]

Well, if YOU'D read the article in the paper you would know that he's paid over 3/4 of that money back. He only only owes about 2.2 million of it still. He sold most of his properties, the auction park, and other assets to pay his debts. He is doing what he can but it takes time. If he was truely evil, he would have just filed bankruptsy, but he didn't.

If we were worthy of respect, he would have paid his debts in the first place. He does not deserve a pat on the back for settling debts now. Paying money to someone under threat of imprisonment isn't done out of a sense of integrity; it's done in the interest of saving your butt.

[Common-Tater]

Are you kidding me? I can read,...and, with all due modesty, fairly well. This situation is pretty simple... Kruse sold other people's automobiles at auction. He received the money from the buyer who took possession of the automobile. Took his commission. BUT Kruse was required to give the rest of money to the person who actually owned the car. Right then. That did not happen. Kruse kept the money and did not give the money to the owner. This is the money that he is debt for. That is the money that he kept from the OWNERS of the AUTOMOBILES that he sold. That is the debt of which "he only owes about $ 2.2 million." It was not his money to keep. It is other people's money that they deserve, not this wonderful civic leader's (see def. of sarcasm). In any other world than his (and perhaps yours) that is theft or fraud. It is illegal. That is also why he lost his auction license last year. Get out of the clouds--he should be in jail. Right now.

I really wish you guys would read the article before you spread rumors that really put you at risk of libeling yourselves. The fact is he did NOT receive payment from those who purchased the vehicles. If you knew anything about auctions and how they are run, people are often given the items they purchase at these things and then pay later. Many didn't pay. And when Kruse tried to get payment, they filed bankruptsy. If anyone committed Fraud, it was Kruse's customers. There have been several articles over the past couple years about all of this and yet you still seem to cling to "facts" that are simply not true.

[hideaway70]

I really wish you guys would read the article before you spread rumors that really put you at risk of libeling yourselves. The fact is he did NOT receive payment from those who purchased the vehicles. If you knew anything about auctions and how they are run, people are often given the items they purchase at these things and then pay later. Many didn't pay. And when Kruse tried to get payment, they filed bankruptsy. If anyone committed Fraud, it was Kruse's customers. There have been several articles over the past couple years about all of this and yet you still seem to cling to "facts" that are simply not true.

Explain to all, then, why he is the one being prosecuted. It seems it would be rather simple to avoid all this nastiness if he is blameless. If I may be so bold, I would suggest that, while you look up the correct spelling of "bankruptcy", you could also peer at the definition for "libel".

[HomeyG]

Explain to all, then, why he is the one being prosecuted. It seems it would be rather simple to avoid all this nastiness if he is blameless. If I may be so bold, I would suggest that, while you look up the correct spelling of "bankruptcy", you could also peer at the definition for "libel".

Its my understanding that he has only been charged and has not yet been prosecuted. I think one has to go to court before one can be prosecuted.

[hideaway70]

Its my understanding that he has only been charged and has not yet been prosecuted. I think one has to go to court before one can be prosecuted.

So, the semantics game begins... It is simply initiating criminal or civil legal action against someone. If an individual is charged with a crime and arrested, does that not usually indicate prosecution is imminent? Barring Kruse's attorney pulling a rabbit out of his hat (or a fat wallet), prosecution seems rather likely, don't ya think Homey? What remains to be seen is whether said prosecution results in conviction or acquittal...

Source:http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prosecute

[Common-Tater]

So, the semantics game begins...

As you complain about semantics you continue to point out people's spelling errors and typos.

It is simply initiating criminal or civil legal action against someone. If an individual is charged with a crime and arrested, does that not usually indicate prosecution is imminent?

Actually, no. People are arrested/detained and not charged all the time.

Barring Kruse's attorney pulling a rabbit out of his hat (or a fat wallet), prosecution seems rather likely, don't ya think Homey? What remains to be seen is whether said prosecution results in conviction or acquittal...

Source:http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prosecute

You have a pretty gross misconception of how the court system works. Most likely he'll show up to court as he is required and his attorney will lay out all of the things Mr. Kruse has done to pay off a substantial portion of his debt. They will also lay out his future plans to continue paying it all off. I'm quite sure the judge will be satisfied with that and he won't spend any time in jail. You can't steal money you were never in posession of.

[evilkumquat]

Its my understanding that he has only been charged and has not yet been prosecuted. I think one has to go to court before one can be prosecuted.

The legal process against Kruse has been initiated. He was charged, booked and released on bond.

He is being prosecuted.

Whether he is successfully prosecuted is another thing, but he definitely IS being prosecuted.

One has to wonder, though, if he is merely the victim of "usual problems" associated with auctioneers (like customers not paying their bills or declaring bankruptcy) why Indiana would have felt it necessary to yank his license, or why Pennsylvania (where incidentally Kruse does NOT have a brother in government) decided to prosecute.

Having worked professionally with some auctioneers, it does not seem that far out of the realm of possibility to me for Kruse to have been acting unethically. I'm not saying ALL auctioneers are suspect, but that particular field seems to attract a seedier element.

Hell, I'll go further. I suspect losing his license was a deal he made to NOT see jail time for his actions in Indiana, probably made easier though the influence of his brother.

[No Adventure Is Too Small]

I really wish you guys would read the article before you spread rumors that really put you at risk of libeling yourselves. The fact is he did NOT receive payment from those who purchased the vehicles. If you knew anything about auctions and how they are run, people are often given the items they purchase at these things and then pay later. Many didn't pay. And when Kruse tried to get payment, they filed bankruptsy. If anyone committed Fraud, it was Kruse's customers. There have been several articles over the past couple years about all of this and yet you still seem to cling to "facts" that are simply not true.

Interestingly enough I happen to be an Auctioneer and I call total Bu***** t on your presumption that a vehicle is turned loose including delivering title without payment. Someone here definately has their facts incorrect, I suggest that, that someone figure out who they are. Also I don't believe that bankruptcy is allowed in the case of fraudulent theft! What you are trying to convince us of is exactly what those buyers would have been charged with, that, or Grand Theft Auto. I am amazed that someone would make a statement like you did about Auctions! The Auctioneer has a significant Fiduciary responsibilty to his seller and would never entertain releasing an auto with title without pay!

[HoosierHelen]

Yes, CT 'Libeling' oneself is a serious offense. Let none of us ever commit this.

[No Adventure Is Too Small]

You can't steal money you were never in posession of.

If the money wasn't stolen, then the Automobiles were. Take your pick, it's one or the other.
If in fact the Automobiles were stolen why pray tell has no one ever been prosecuted for those crimes?

[evilkumquat]

On further reading, I was reminded that Kruse claimed a lot of his problems stemmed from allowing "trusted buyers" to take possession of many vehicles without payment because he felt confident he'd get the money from them later.

Unfortunately, he alleges, these people ended up stiffing him, leaving him with the responsibility to pay the original sellers.

Even if he's telling the truth, does Kruse REALLY sound like the sort of man you want selling your stuff at auction?

The more I think about it, the sleazier and more unprofessional it sounds.

"Hey, Tater! Let me have your car and I can sell it for $10,000 at auction. Sure, the guy I'm selling it to only gave me a grand up front which I'm keeping for my commission, but I know he's good for the rest. It just may take a little longer to get it. But trust me, I won't screw you over."

A man like this should NEVER be trusted with handling others' money or property.

[Common-Tater]

If the money wasn't stolen, then the Automobiles were. Take your pick, it's one or the other.
If in fact the Automobiles were stolen why pray tell has no one ever been prosecuted for those crimes?

With the economy the way it is, we certainly don't need prison populans increased over crimes where no one was injured. He should just be allowed to continu paying the debt (which he is doing) and just let it go. There are worse people out there, like our current President who knew he had illegal family in the US...showing a conflict of interest when it comes to immigration.

[evilkumquat]

With the economy the way it is, we certainly don't need prison populans increased over crimes where no one was injured. He should just be allowed to continu paying the debt (which he is doing) and just let it go. There are worse people out there, like our current President who knew he had illegal family in the US...showing a conflict of interest when it comes to immigration.

"No one was injured" is the rallying cry of coddled white collar criminals.

It's okay if a family's retirement gets wiped out, because the corporate pirate didn't pull a gun on them and steal their cash. He just siphoned away years of their sweat, forcing them defray or cancel their retirements. Even though some never recover and languish in poverty, it's okay because they didn't get killed, right?

Oh those, poor, poor misunderstood corporate criminals!

Are you that forgiving for the thousands languishing in jails all over the country for marijuana possession?

If one supports strict drug laws but lax penalties for white collar criminals he's a ****ing hypocrite.

[evilkumquat]

Kruse is getting treated with kid gloves because his brother is a Republican politician in Indiana.

There. I said it. It's out in the open.

At least McNaughten had the "decency" to flee the state like the petty criminal he is, allowing the rest of us to avoid having to look at him.

Kruse just sticks around bleating about how unfairly he has been treated.

[Common-Tater]

It's okay if a family's retirement gets wiped out, because the corporate pirate didn't pull a gun on them and steal their cash. He just siphoned away years of their sweat, forcing them defray or cancel their retirements. Even though some never recover and languish in poverty, it's okay because they didn't get killed, right?

Did any of that happen here? I thought it was preety much just wealthy people who were caught up in this whole thing. Poor people can't afford vintage cars.

Are you that forgiving for the thousands languishing in jails all over the country for marijuana possession? If one supports strict drug laws but lax penalties for white collar criminals he's a ****ing hypocrite.

I don't think people should be put in prison for marijuana posession as long as it's a small personal amount. But I do think they should be fined.

[Graygleam]

Poor people can't afford vintage cars.

As a public service, I should like to add an item to the list of things poor people can't afford.

1. Poor people can't afford vintage cars.
2. Poor people can't afford vacations to Hawaii

Feel free to add something.

[Common-Tater]

As a public service, I should like to add an item to the list of things poor people can't afford.

1. Poor people can't afford vintage cars.
2. Poor people can't afford vacations to Hawaii

Feel free to add something.

Poor people can't afford another 4 years with Obama...

[evilkumquat]

As a public service, I should like to add an item to the list of things poor people can't afford.

1. Poor people can't afford vintage cars.
2. Poor people can't afford vacations to Hawaii

Feel free to add something.

3. Poor people can't afford sleazy law firms to keep them out of jail.
4. Poor people can't utilize familial political connections to keep them from being prosecuted.

[evilkumquat]

Poor people can't afford another 4 years with Obama...

Yeah, because god knows the Republicans are the ones who are known for taking care of the poor.