Dean Kruse on the run?

[evilkumquat]

Did any of that happen here? I thought it was preety much just wealthy people who were caught up in this whole thing. Poor people can't afford vintage cars.

I don't think people should be put in prison for marijuana posession as long as it's a small personal amount. But I do think they should be fined.

So just because you're rich, those who rob you should be exempt from criminal prosecution?

And how much pot exceeds the "small personal amount"?

[No Adventure Is Too Small]

With the economy the way it is, we certainly don't need prison populans increased over crimes where no one was injured. He should just be allowed to continu paying the debt (which he is doing) and just let it go. There are worse people out there, like our current President who knew he had illegal family in the US...showing a conflict of interest when it comes to immigration.

No one was injured? You've got to be kidding me!
Do you honestly think that no one was injured?
Would you feel that way if one of these high value vehicles had been
one of your that you had commissioned for sale?
We are talking millions of dollars lost and you have the gall to say "No one was injured" .
Theft is theft pure and simple, facts can't just be white washed away no matter
how badly some want them to be.

[RaceFan]

I'm a friend of Dean Kruse and I have no regrets. Dean is trying to pay his debts.

Anyways members Paul Ladd, Mike Hendricks, Jim Swary and myself of The Northeastern Indiana Racing Museum spent the day with Dean Kruse in the parade at Auburn. We drove the 1931 Duesenberg that is housed at The National Military History center and Automotive Museum over to Auburn and Dean was our passenger. I was a support vehicle with my John Deere Gator. Here are three photo's I will share with all of you.

[Thorman]

With the economy the way it is, we certainly don't need prison populans increased over crimes where no one was injured. He should just be allowed to continu paying the debt (which he is doing) and just let it go. There are worse people out there, like our current President who knew he had illegal family in the US...showing a conflict of interest when it comes to immigration.

Boy, are you kidding? No one was injured? Tort actions are based on someone injuring another person or failing to fulfill a duty that one has. Kruse was supposed to pay the people whose cars he sold. Not done. The courts in Pennsylvania believe that there is enough evidence to indicate that someone has indeed been injured. An arrest warrant was issued for him. Kruse's auction license has been revoked. Why? Because he did not fulfill his duties as a licensed auctioneer. He kept money that he knew was not his for his own use. $ 2.2 Million dollars worth. How can you not see that he is in the wrong? Those other people deserve that money. It is theirs, not his. Period.

Then instead of continuing to polish Kruse's apples by defending his actions, you play your typical Obama card to shift the conversation. These situations are completely different and even you have to know it. You are just incredible.

[Common-Tater]

This thread just goes to show that stubborn people often make up their minds based on inaccurate and false information. They will often believe a rumor over the truth even when it's presented right in front of them. Some of you hate people who are wealthy just because they have what you don't. But you'll condem someone else for disliking other groups. If you think taxing the work force to redistribute wealth isn't criminal then you've got a pretty warped world view. The hypocracy you all display is pretty sickening sometimes. Dean has admitted he made mistakes and has taken responsibility by providing restitution. It is still in progress. At least he didn't deny any wrong doing and refuse to make ammends like many who've been in the media recently for white collar crimes. From what I've seen, he's been a man of integrity through this ordeal. I don't believe there was any intential harm caused my Mr. Kruse. There are bigger fish in our communities that need to fry.

[evilkumquat]

This thread just goes to show that stubborn people often make up their minds based on inaccurate and false information. They will often believe a rumor over the truth even when it's presented right in front of them. Some of you hate people who are wealthy just because they have what you don't. But you'll condem someone else for disliking other groups. If you think taxing the work force to redistribute wealth isn't criminal then you've got a pretty warped world view. The hypocracy you all display is pretty sickening sometimes. Dean has admitted he made mistakes and has taken responsibility by providing restitution. It is still in progress. At least he didn't deny any wrong doing and refuse to make ammends like many who've been in the media recently for white collar crimes. From what I've seen, he's been a man of integrity through this ordeal. I don't believe there was any intential harm caused my Mr. Kruse. There are bigger fish in our communities that need to fry.

You still don't get it, do you?

It's not enough for a criminal to pay "restitution". If that were the case, there'd be no jails. Just tons of people walking around with ledgers trying to keep track of how much they owe their victims.

Kruse admitted publicly selling his cars via auction to people who didn't have the ready funds to pay the costs. What if a real estate agent sold a home like that?

"Sorry Mr. & Mrs. Jones. I know the title has been transferred on your home and the new buyers are in there and you need the money from the sale to buy your new home. But the buyers haven't paid the full amount yet. I've sold homes to them before and they always paid up eventually."

It also seems that the only way some people have received any "restitution" from Kruse is when they DO involve the courts and the justice system because Kruse didn't seem to be going out of his way to hurry.

Incidentally, manslaughter is "unintentional harm" done to a victim, yet those who commit it are guilty of a crime.

By the way, allowing the "job creators" to avoid taxes via Bush's tax cuts hasn't seemed to create any jobs, or haven't you noticed unemployment has steadily gone up since Bush and his cronies implemented them?

[Common-Tater]

You still don't get it, do you?

It's not enough for a criminal to pay "restitution". If that were the case, there'd be no jails. Just tons of people walking around with ledgers trying to keep track of how much they owe their victims.

Kruse admitted publicly selling his cars via auction to people who didn't have the ready funds to pay the costs. What if a real estate agent sold a home like that?

"Sorry Mr. & Mrs. Jones. I know the title has been transferred on your home and the new buyers are in there and you need the money from the sale to buy your new home. But the buyers haven't paid the full amount yet. I've sold homes to them before and they always paid up eventually."

It also seems that the only way some people have received any "restitution" from Kruse is when they DO involve the courts and the justice system because Kruse didn't seem to be going out of his way to hurry.

Incidentally, manslaughter is "unintentional harm" done to a victim, yet those who commit it are guilty of a crime.

By the way, allowing the "job creators" to avoid taxes via Bush's tax cuts hasn't seemed to create any jobs, or haven't you noticed unemployment has steadily gone up since Bush and his cronies implemented them?

You're certainly in a mood. Take a chill pill. Taxing these people isn't going to create jobs either. Do you have inside info on what Mr. Kruse has done to make restitution? You seem to be making some heavy assumptions.

[evilkumquat]

You're certainly in a mood. Take a chill pill. Taxing these people isn't going to create jobs either. Do you have inside info on what Mr. Kruse has done to make restitution? You seem to be making some heavy assumptions.

Okay, let's break this down to where even a Fox News viewer can understand.

Our economy is bad. Our infrastructure is crumbling. Many people are out of work and without health care.

The rich haven't paid anywhere near what they should since Bush's tax cuts, and they still insist they shouldn't, putting more of the burden on the steadily shrinking middle class.

Without these tax dollars, our country can't afford to inject much needed funds into our infrastructure and social services. Worse, what we have has been steadily chipped away.

We start taxing the rich, suddenly the tax burden on the middle and lower classes are eased, giving them more funds to spend on consumer goods, creating jobs because someone has to make and sell the goods and services. Our government can also pay more into social services, creating a healthier working class, allowing them the ability to procure and maintain employment.

Tell me, Tater, what is the point of the "job creators" having all the money when they a) haven't been CREATING any jobs anyway except for in China and India, and b) there's far, far fewer consumers in our country who can afford to purchase the goods or services these hypothetical jobs would have created?

[No Adventure Is Too Small]

This thread just goes to show that stubborn people often make up their minds based on inaccurate and false information. They will often believe a rumor over the truth even when it's presented right in front of them. Some of you hate people who are wealthy just because they have what you don't. But you'll condem someone else for disliking other groups. If you think taxing the work force to redistribute wealth isn't criminal then you've got a pretty warped world view. The hypocracy you all display is pretty sickening sometimes. Dean has admitted he made mistakes and has taken responsibility by providing restitution. It is still in progress. At least he didn't deny any wrong doing and refuse to make ammends like many who've been in the media recently for white collar crimes. From what I've seen, he's been a man of integrity through this ordeal. I don't believe there was any intential harm caused my Mr. Kruse. There are bigger fish in our communities that need to fry.

We are the ones being stubborn?
You say in one line that we base opinion on inaccurate and false information.
Then you later state Dean has admitted his mistakes and is in the process of providing restitution.
So exactly who is inaccurate? I notice that there has been no rebuttal to my facts about Auctioneers
not releasing sold items without payment due to their fiduciary responsibilty owed to the seller.
The facts in this case are as follows, items were consigned to be sold, items were dispersed as if they
had in fact been sold, sellers of the consigned items were either not paid or not paid in full even though
they no longer possesed their items. No one cares on here the wealth or lack of wealth or the status or
lack of status of those involved, the bottom line is money for goods is missing that has never been disputed.
The only thing disputed is who owes the money. When I sign a contract with you to sell your goods and I take
possesion of the goods from you, from that point until I make you whole as in giving you money or returning
your goods, I as the Auctioneer am fully responsible. You can dance around the terminology all that you want
but it is in fact theft by deception or fraud. As far as integrity goes, a man of integrity would have never found
himself in the position of delivering somones goods without delivering compensation period!

[TheBigB]

Well the rain exploded with a mighty crash as we fell into the sun,
and the first one said to the second one there "I hope you're having fun".

[krazetrain]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I sure enjoyed the FP during the 3 week "troll free" marathon. Dean Kruse was very sucessfull being an Auctioneer. He also has been very good at ruining many peoples lives, including his own! For the people who have had their cars sold, and have yet to be paid, I hope they hound Dean, until they get paid. There any many businesses in Auburn, whom have done business with Dean, only to get stiffed on their request for payment. I will not provide personal details, but I will say that many of my relatives had long refused doing business with him. Why? Because, Dean rarely ever paid the full bill or would offer a partial payment and demanding the remainder due, be considered "his discount". I also am awaiting someone to call for the end to the "bullying" as they called it in another thread. It seems that everyone is attacking one person, again. Why? Because , that person enjoys creating this drama. It is not a discussion, when the topic is above the level of understanding or if all the facts available, are still not enough to convince the other person's thinking (if that is what you want to call it)!

[RaceFan]

The biggest problem today is that nothing is Black and white anymore, so many loopholes,so many lawyers, so many people who presume to know everything and really don't know crap. Everyone has had money problems , maybe not on the same level as Dean Kruse. Sometimes the media does not tell you the good things as well as the bad things because it doesn't sell for them. For some people a handshake deal was all that was needed to trust that you'd get your money, then those people started having money problems and the trust was lost. If you were a person who defaulted on a credit card for thousands of dollars should you go to jail? Same thing,you knew you were not paying on the card. I guess everyone looks at issues differently and that's something all of you on FP need to remember . This post has gotten very heated at times, sometimes to the point that it sounded as though posters were attacking eachother because of their beliefs. Ok I've sounded off, finish having a good weekend.

[Thorman]

The biggest problem today is that nothing is Black and white anymore, so many loopholes,so many lawyers, so many people who presume to know everything and really don't know crap. Everyone has had money problems , maybe not on the same level as Dean Kruse. Sometimes the media does not tell you the good things as well as the bad things because it doesn't sell for them. For some people a handshake deal was all that was needed to trust that you'd get your money, then those people started having money problems and the trust was lost. If you were a person who defaulted on a credit card for thousands of dollars should you go to jail? Same thing,you knew you were not paying on the card. I guess everyone looks at issues differently and that's something all of you on FP need to remember . This post has gotten very heated at times, sometimes to the point that it sounded as though posters were attacking eachother because of their beliefs. Ok I've sounded off, finish having a good weekend.

Unfortunately, this is not about someone who has defaulted on a credit card. This is about a person who sold automobiles and did not give the money to the owner as required. It is irrelevant about how nice a person he may be. This is illegal. Nice people go to jail all the time for doing illegal things. That is why statues of justice are blind. Do illegal things: go to jail.

Also remember that this is not the first time that Kruse has not paid someone. This appears to be a fairly consistent pattern. That is why he lost his state auction license. Not one time, but a pattern. The state people did not seem to worry about how nice a guy Kruse is or all the great things that he did for the Auburn area . Don't pay the people like you were supposed to, lose your license.

Over and over, this question has been asked: could any other person get away with this activity? Only people wearing rose colored glasses or partisan hacks could excuse such behavior.

[LuciusBeebe]

Some of you hate people who are wealthy just because they have what you don't.

Yeah, yeah that's it. You're very smart.

[HoosierHelen]

Ok, give me a clue, RaceFan...what color is your shirt in these pics?

[TheBigB]

Ok, give me a clue, RaceFan...what color is your shirt in these pics?

I suspect he was taking the pictures.

[HoosierHelen]

The biggest problem today is that nothing is Black and white anymore, so many loopholes,so many lawyers, so many people who presume to know everything and really don't know crap. Everyone has had money problems , maybe not on the same level as Dean Kruse. Sometimes the media does not tell you the good things as well as the bad things because it doesn't sell for them. For some people a handshake deal was all that was needed to trust that you'd get your money, then those people started having money problems and the trust was lost. If you were a person who defaulted on a credit card for thousands of dollars should you go to jail? Same thing,you knew you were not paying on the card. I guess everyone looks at issues differently and that's something all of you on FP need to remember . This post has gotten very heated at times, sometimes to the point that it sounded as though posters were attacking eachother because of their beliefs. Ok I've sounded off, finish having a good weekend.

RaceFan, I want to share some of my thoughts with you. I get it that you believe you have a good friend in Dean Kruse. However, my observations of your values (based on your postings) tell me that your personal ethics are much higher than Dean Kruse's. I could never imagine you accepting an item for sale from another individual and not repaying them what they expressed to you they expected for the item. I understand you LOVE vintage cars...honestly..I do also. (I can only entertain them as eye candy..can not afford them)

Can you imagine yourself owning a valued collector car, placing it on the market with Dean Kruse, he then sells it and then explains to you that his corporation is in trouble and he cannot pay you for your car he just sold? You must understand that his corporation has a cash flow problem and he needed to pay other previous car owners that have been waiting for years for their payments first? Would you not feel stiffed? I sure would.

[Common-Tater]

RaceFan, I want to share some of my thoughts with you. I get it that you believe you have a good friend in Dean Kruse. However, my observations of your values (based on your postings) tell me that your personal ethics are much higher than Dean Kruse's. I could never imagine you accepting an item for sale from another individual and not repaying them what they expressed to you they expected for the item. I understand you LOVE vintage cars...honestly..I do also. (I can only entertain them as eye candy..can not afford them)

Can you imagine yourself owning a valued collector car, placing it on the market with Dean Kruse, he then sells it and then explains to you that his corporation is in trouble and he cannot pay you for your car he just sold? You must understand that his corporation has a cash flow problem and he needed to pay other previous car owners that have been waiting for years for their payments first? Would you not feel stiffed? I sure would.

I guess, Helen, the questin is, do you respect RaceFan enough to trust what he's saying or do you think he'd lie to you?

[Graygleam]

I guess that's the questin, Helen.

[No Adventure Is Too Small]

I guess, Helen, the questin is, do you respect RaceFan enough to trust what he's saying or do you think he'd lie to you?

A Handshake deal is ridiculous when you are talking about the kind of money involved in collector car auctions.
An Auctioneer would actually be forbidden by his fiduciary responsibilty to the seller to make such a deal.
A little honesty could easily go a long way here.
Even if the handshake theory as outlandish as it sounds were true.
Why not simply return the Automobile when the "buyers" money problem surfaced?
Would that not resolve a huge conflict?