Atheist Registry

[Graygleam]

Does this seem like a good idea?.................

http://www.examiner.com/atheism-in-n...#ixzz1WXSeBrKb

[hideaway70]

What an idiot.

[evilkumquat]

Yeah I already saw this the other day.

"First they came for the atheists..."

[armyda]

I'd guess someone doesn't understand the Constitution. Well him and several other people.

[bigkneedgal]

"First they came for the atheists..."

First they came for the right-wing shock-jocks and I didn't say anything.

Then they came for the insurance company executives and I made no protest.

Then they came for the oil company CEOs and I did nothing to help.

Then they came for the Wall Street fat cats and yet I said nothing.

Finally they came for me, and we all laughed our butts off and then I bought everyone a beer.

[armyda]

First they came for the right-wing shock-jocks and I didn't say anything.

Then they came for the insurance company executives and I made no protest.

Then they came for the oil company CEOs and I did nothing to help.

Then they came for the Wall Street fat cats and yet I said nothing.

Finally they came for me, and we all laughed our butts off and then I bought everyone a beer.

I don't see much difference between your intolerance and that shown by Stahl.

[evilkumquat]

I don't see much difference between your intolerance and that shown by Stahl.

The only good intolerance is that shown against the intolerant.

In my book, it's okay to hate bullies.

[bigkneedgal]

I don't see much difference between your intolerance and that shown by Stahl.

Army: Although this was a rather feeble attempt at humor/sarcasm, I do see more of a distinction than you apparently perceive.
There was and still remains, a group of top executives and managers within the industries mentioned whose actions drilled the world’s economy 6 feet into the ground. They have not only gone completely unpunished but most if not all, received substantial rewards. A relative underling named Madoff bilked a few hundred clients and is the only one languishing in prison…and for a completely unrelated scheme. We don’t need a registry for these crooks. We know who they are.
Atheists, on the other hand wield influence virtually nowhere in this country. We are, however, beginning to organize and many of us are out of the closet and are less afraid to ask uncomfortable questions, know more about various religions than most adherents, and defy the ban on discussing such topics in polite company. Hence, many religious organizations view atheists as a threat. A threat to what is the question I have to ask if we’re so feared that we are being viewed in the same light as sex offenders.
There is injustice and there is intolerance. I see a clear distinction. I will apologize to the extent that I know many executives are actually principled and ethical.

[bigkneedgal]

Does this seem like a good idea?.................

http://www.examiner.com/atheism-in-n...#ixzz1WXSeBrKb

Maybe there should be a national register of Jews so Christians can minister to them.
To make it easier maybe we could require them to wear an identifying mark of some sort and live in certain defined areas so it’s easier to find them.
Why would the Jews object to that, surely they aren’t ashamed of their religion?

It's nice to see that he has so much faith in government to maintain this registry of atheists. Normally people of his ilk assume that government is simultaneously incompetent and supremely evil. Remember this the next time one of these twits strike the persecuted minority/christian martyr pose.

[LuciusBeebe]

Does this seem like a good idea?.................

http://www.examiner.com/atheism-in-n...#ixzz1WXSeBrKb

Its humorous to me that he compares atheists to terrorists, the Klan, ex-cons and sex offenders, because most member of those groups believe in God.

[hideaway70]

Its humorous to me that he compares atheists to terrorists, the Klan, ex-cons and sex offenders, because most member of those groups believe in God.

With the obvious exception of atheists, don't most members of most groups believe in God?

Ex-cons and sex offenders are predominantly people of faith? Who did that research, the University of Phoenix?

[evilkumquat]

With the obvious exception of atheists, don't most members of most groups believe in God?

Ex-cons and sex offenders are predominantly people of faith? Who did that research, the University of Phoenix?

I'm fairly certain religion is a HUGE component in the lives of most prisoners.

[armyda]

I defy anyone not to enjoy seeing a bully get his.

I'm not arguing that. I am human after all. Is the goal to stop the bully, or is it to turn the tables and reverse the roles. You want to stop the bully, fine, I'm all for that. But the desire to make a bully one of the bullied is wrong. You have argued against those who use bad actions of the left to refute bad actions of the right. Yet your argument here is that that they are doing wrong to you so you want to do wrong to them.

Army: Although this was a rather feeble attempt at humor/sarcasm, I do see more of a distinction than you apparently perceive.
There was and still remains, a group of top executives and managers within the industries mentioned whose actions drilled the world’s economy 6 feet into the ground. They have not only gone completely unpunished but most if not all, received substantial rewards. A relative underling named Madoff bilked a few hundred clients and is the only one languishing in prison…and for a completely unrelated scheme. We don’t need a registry for these crooks. We know who they are.
Atheists, on the other hand wield influence virtually nowhere in this country. We are, however, beginning to organize and many of us are out of the closet and are less afraid to ask uncomfortable questions, know more about various religions than most adherents, and defy the ban on discussing such topics in polite company. Hence, many religious organizations view atheists as a threat. A threat to what is the question I have to ask if we’re so feared that we are being viewed in the same light as sex offenders.
There is injustice and there is intolerance. I see a clear distinction. I will apologize to the extent that I know many executives are actually principled and ethical.

BigKneed. as you said a poor attempt at humor. As you note at the end you do show a distinction between members. A difference from the original posting.

But you should also go back to the original meaning of what you quoted in jest. Because it is far more likely that because you didn't stand up to support the rights of those you disagree with, there will be no one left to stand up for yours and you will suffer the same fate. My goal is to defend our "Rights", that has nothing to do with the individuals those rights apply to. I have the right to not believe or follow any god or belief, the person next to me has the right to believe in the supreme divinity of the green aardvark. If we deny his right, don't we then say it isn't a right and thus deny our own?

[evilkumquat]

I'm not arguing that. I am human after all. Is the goal to stop the bully, or is it to turn the tables and reverse the roles. You want to stop the bully, fine, I'm all for that. But the desire to make a bully one of the bullied is wrong. You have argued against those who use bad actions of the left to refute bad actions of the right. Yet your argument here is that that they are doing wrong to you so you want to do wrong to them.

What is justice if not the combination of stopping a crime as well as retribution?

If one is caught embezzling, he is not just fired, is he? Isn't he often prosecuted and imprisoned for his crime? Firing the embezzler stopped the crime, so why should there be any further action taken against him?

Because justice demands retribution.

Certainly, stopping a bully is important, but he needs to pay the price for his acts.

[bigkneedgal]

BigKneed. as you said a poor attempt at humor. As you note at the end you do show a distinction between members. A difference from the original posting.

But you should also go back to the original meaning of what you quoted in jest. Because it is far more likely that because you didn't stand up to support the rights of those you disagree with, there will be no one left to stand up for yours and you will suffer the same fate. My goal is to defend our "Rights", that has nothing to do with the individuals those rights apply to. I have the right to not believe or follow any god or belief, the person next to me has the right to believe in the supreme divinity of the green aardvark. If we deny his right, don't we then say it isn't a right and thus deny our own?

Disagree with them? It’s not JUST that I disagree with these weasels and what they did to the economy. When your acts result in something as grossly harmful as these persons acts lead to, you leave yourself open to not only ridicule but much more. Yes, absolutely they have rights. And they have the power, influence and money to see that those rights are fulfilled to a degree most felons can only dream of. That privileged position also leaves them open to criticism and I am certainly not the first to point it out.
And that leads to the same privileged position Christianity has had in this country for a very long time. The same religion that opposed the Constitution in the first place because it didn’t contain a religious test and supported slavery, opposed women’s suffrage and the repeal of Jim Crow laws. Respecting the right of freedom of religion should mean accepting the fact that not everyone will freely choose the Christianity worldview. We must accept that others will come to different conclusions as you pointed out. Unfortunately that view isn’t shared by the vast majority of fundamentalists in the US.

[hideaway70]

I'm fairly certain religion is a HUGE component in the lives of most prisoners.

You might have a point, there are a lot of jailhouse conversions.

[LuciusBeebe]

With the obvious exception of atheists, don't most members of most groups believe in God?

Ex-cons and sex offenders are predominantly people of faith? Who did that research, the University of Phoenix?

Are you in the habit of questioning the validity of your own statements?

[hideaway70]

Are you in the habit of questioning the validity of your own statements?

What the **** are you talking about?

It would be refreshing to see someone make a point without trying to be the cleverest guy in the room.

[LuciusBeebe]

What the **** are you talking about?

I'm talking about the part where you said most people believe in god, then questioned the assertion that most people believe in god.

As for your comment about people trying to be clever, what were you trying to do with your university of phoenix comment?