Mourdock v Lugar, Poop v Shinola?

[HoosierHelen]

Strange but the reasons some oppose Mourdock are the same reasons that some voted for Obama.

I'm just not following your logic on this one Homey?

Tell me where Lugar ever voted against the best interests of our fellow Hoosiers and I will consider your reflections. So far, I have only read opinions with no evidence supporting why Mourdock is a better choice than Lugar (other than Lugar is old and well experienced)?

I'm still waiting to hear what merits Mourdock is bringing to this office other than inexperience and dues he now owes to & will be expected to repay his financial supporters who have aided in supporting his attainment of the office? What are his talents he is bringing to the table for this new position representing our fellow Hoosiers that Lugar did not offer? Obviously, experience and DC connections within that network are not yet established...so...what are his real talents and assets he offers our fellow Hoosiers?

[HomeyG]

I'm just not following your logic on this one Homey?

Tell me where Lugar ever voted against the best interests of our fellow Hoosiers and I will consider your reflections. So far, I have only read opinions with no evidence supporting why Mourdock is a better choice than Lugar (other than Lugar is old and well experienced)?

I'm still waiting to hear what merits Mourdock is bringing to this office other than inexperience and dues he now owes to & will be expected to repay his financial supporters who have aided in supporting his attainment of the office? What are his talents he is bringing to the table for this new position representing our fellow Hoosiers that Lugar did not offer? Obviously, experience and DC connections within that network are not yet established...so...what are his real talents and assets he offers our fellow Hoosiers?

My contention is that the word Mourdock and Obama are interchangeable. Like Mourdock, Obama had little experience and looking at his war chest he surely must and has repaid his financial supporters, in particular, Wall Street, unions, and his hollywood cronies. So what real assets and talents did Obama have that Mourdock doesn't or cannot attain? And remember, Mourdock only needs an experience level for a 1 of 100 job while Obama was a 1 of 1 job. As I reflect on Obama's election platform for the 2008 it's premise was "a time for change", I guess our fellow Hoosiers also saw the need for a change and voted that way.

[HoosierHelen]

My contention is that the word Mourdock and Obama are interchangeable. Like Mourdock, Obama had little experience and looking at his war chest he surely must and has repaid his financial supporters, in particular, Wall Street, unions, and his hollywood cronies. So what real assets and talents did Obama have that Mourdock doesn't or cannot attain? And remember, Mourdock only needs an experience level for a 1 of 100 job while Obama was a 1 of 1 job. As I reflect on Obama's election platform for the 2008 it's premise was "a time for change", I guess our fellow Hoosiers also saw the need for a change and voted that way.

Your point is well made Homey. Obama's experience was not his strong suit in 2008. I do believe your comment 'I guess our fellow Hoosiers also saw the need for a change and voted that way', is correct. I did feel Lugar was willing to work as a bipartisan representative for Indiana when he felt it to be in our best interests. Where the names of Mourdock and Obama are not interchangeable is in their attitudes of bipartisanship. Time will tell what Mourdock is made of in this regard.

[edeevee]

My contention is that the word Mourdock and Obama are interchangeable. Like Mourdock, Obama had little experience and looking at his war chest he surely must and has repaid his financial supporters, in particular, Wall Street, unions, and his hollywood cronies. So what real assets and talents did Obama have that Mourdock doesn't or cannot attain? And remember, Mourdock only needs an experience level for a 1 of 100 job while Obama was a 1 of 1 job. As I reflect on Obama's election platform for the 2008 it's premise was "a time for change", I guess our fellow Hoosiers also saw the need for a change and voted that way.

This is the kind of Republican non-logic that makes my eyelids twitch.

Let's compare apples to apples and talk about Obama's primary campaign for the Senate in 2004. In the first place, he wasn't running against an incumbent. Big difference. Also, his victory in the primary was a surprise. He had little money compared to some of the millionaires who were also running in a field of eight. He did not begin television advertising until 3 weeks before the primary election. He didn't advertise downstate until six DAYS before the election. He won in a landslide due to having more legislative experience than any of his opponents (He had already served 8 years in the Illinois Senate.), the endorsement of every major newspaper in the state, and the support of key Illinois political players including Jesse Jackson and Senator Paul Simon's daughter. As a former Illinois girl I can tell you that we LOVED Paul Simon and, after his unexpected death in 2003, when his daughter said Obama was "cut from the same cloth" as her father, well, according to my Mom (who voted in that election) that's what did it.

If you'd like, we can go on to talk about his campaign in the general election that year -- but you might want to research that a little bit before you open that stunningly embarrassing can of Republican worms.

[HomeyG]

Your point is well made Homey. Obama's experience was not his strong suit in 2008. I do believe your comment 'I guess our fellow Hoosiers also saw the need for a change and voted that way', is correct. I did feel Lugar was willing to work as a bipartisan representative for Indiana when he felt it to be in our best interests. Where the names of Mourdock and Obama are not interchangeable is in their attitudes of bipartisanship. Time will tell what Mourdock is made of in this regard.

I like the word "bipartisan" especially when referring to politicians. It usually means to most of us, me included, that he is bipartisan when he does things my way.

[No Adventure Is Too Small]

I like the word "bipartisan" especially when referring to politicians. It usually means to most of us, me included, that he is bipartisan when he does things my way.

Bipartisanship to me is when two polar opposites can
put to the side enough of their differences to come
together on legislation that benefits the majority of
U.S. citizens. Totally unlike what we have experienced
recently and far too often in the past which is do nothing
House, Senate, and President who are there getting paid
but not working because of bullheaded thinking on all accounts.
No matter how much you disagree, there should be some level
of compromise that can be reached. Perhaps I am to naive in my thinking.
For the sake of our Country, I wish we could eliminate extremists on both sides.

[edeevee]

I hate to say I told you so, but ... okay, in this case I don't hate to say ... I told you so.

[HomeyG]

I hate to say I told you so, but ... okay, in this case I don't hate to say ... I told you so.

Looks like congratulations are in order, not only this race but the presidential race also. Either one was not surprising but I had my hopes.

[evilkumquat]

Looks like congratulations are in order, not only this race but the presidential race also. Either one was not surprising but I had my hopes.

After 2000, I'm not celebrating yet.

The Republicans are full of dirty tricks.

[HoosierHelen]

After 2000, I'm not celebrating yet.

The Republicans are full of dirty tricks.

I'm with you on that one Evil. Romney has certainly not given his concessionary speech yet. I'm still waiting to see what the news looks like tomorrow.

[edeevee]

Looks like congratulations are in order, not only this race but the presidential race also. Either one was not surprising but I had my hopes.

Homey, I want to thank you for keeping the dialogue going. It can't be easy and I appreciate the effort.

[HomeyG]

Homey, I want to thank you for keeping the dialogue going. It can't be easy and I appreciate the effort.

No problem, it's easy when you believe in your beliefs. Want to have some fun, let's make our predictions where the US and the world will be in a year or two. Perhaps we could cover taxes, unemployment rates, Middle East, energy, health care, Medicare, Medicaid, and anything else that comes to mind. But you'll have to give me some time 'cause I'll be setting on a deck heading to Cozumel and the Cayman Islands.

[edeevee]

But you'll have to give me some time 'cause I'll be setting on a deck heading to Cozumel and the Cayman Islands.

Let's talk when you get back. Have a wonderful time!

[HomeyG]

Let's talk when you get back. Have a wonderful time!

Thanks Edeevee, I'm going to push politics, Fence Post and the cold weather completely out of my mind.