true Christians, Muslim, or Jew

[blue adept]

Have you ever noticed that the religious right, [be they Christian, Jew, or muslim,] declare that those who do evil in the open, in the name of their God, are not true Christian,Muslim,or Jew? Why would that be? Are you only "true" if you follow the peaceful route? If that is the case, then it is an indictment of all the great religious books, as they are all guilty of "God" saying this or that people should be killed down to the last woman and child. Just asking?

[HoosierHelen]

Have you ever noticed that the religious right, [be they Christian, Jew, or muslim,] declare that those who do evil in the open, in the name of their God, are not true Christian,Muslim,or Jew? Why would that be? Are you only "true" if you follow the peaceful route? If that is the case, then it is an indictment of all the great religious books, as they are all guilty of "God" saying this or that people should be killed down to the last woman and child. Just asking?

More of us should be asking this question....

[nathandiehl]

Have you ever noticed that the religious right, [be they Christian, Jew, or muslim,] declare that those who do evil in the open, in the name of their God, are not true Christian,Muslim,or Jew? Why would that be? Are you only "true" if you follow the peaceful route? If that is the case, then it is an indictment of all the great religious books, as they are all guilty of "God" saying this or that people should be killed down to the last woman and child. Just asking?

Have you read Augustine's thoughts on just war?
I think Augustine's argument is a great response to your question.

I'm trying to gauge a bit where you're coming from, and I'm not quite sure I grasp what philosophy you are advocating. Perhaps more Kantian?

[blue adept]

Have you read Augustine's thoughts on just war?
I think Augustine's argument is a great response to your question.

I'm trying to gauge a bit where you're coming from, and I'm not quite sure I grasp what philosophy you are advocating. Perhaps more Kantian?

If i were someone that thinks that war is done for God, by Gods directive, I would be a much more cynical person than I already am. Nor do I prescribe to any duty in morality. I am more interested in people that claim to be "good......fill in the blank" and still be able to justify violence in the name of their God or holy book. I do not understand how these people can flout their books prohibition against such acts, and then say they are good whatever!

[nathandiehl]

I am more interested in people that claim to be "good......fill in the blank" and still be able to justify violence in the name of their God or holy book. I do not understand how these people can flout their books prohibition against such acts, and then say they are good whatever!

Isn't the answer to your question adequately addressed by Augustine? Isn't that exactly what Augustine answered? If you perceive not, could you please clarify for me what basic question Augustine was answering in his philosophy of just war?

[blue adept]

Isn't the answer to your question adequately addressed by Augustine? Isn't that exactly what Augustine answered? If you perceive not, could you please clarify for me what basic question Augustine was answering in his philosophy of just war?

I read Augustine when I was in college, many moons ago. What I think I remember, is that Augustine was trying to use logic to explain why God prolonged some wars, and brought others to swift conclusion. Kinda like fighting to the death, and letting God decide which of you are in the right. That way of thinking is not only preposterous, but dangerous. If you are talking about The biological need to war, maybe, but why try and justify it by either you are a "good............" or a "bad.............." depending on an after the fact arm-chair quarterbacking? Jesus was for peace, am I wrong? Jesus was for {judge not lest ye be judged} am I wrong? You cannot justify war, or violence, with religion, and be a religion of peace.

[Mr Douglas]

For what it's worth, I read up on this awhile back when a certain presidential candidate (who will remain blacked out/nameless) was BOOED at a "Christian Coalition" debate for having the audacity to advocate the Golden Rule, and the Just War Doctrine regarding our despicable foreign policy....

This is a pretty good rundown of what justifies a Just War-
http://www.kencollins.com/explanations/why-13.htm

[HoosierHelen]

Thank you Mr. Douglas for that link. I very much enjoyed reading it.