intelligent conversation on teaching evolution

[blue adept]

I would like to discuss with anyone, the ramifications of our school teachers not teaching evolution, because of political pressure. I remember my own son bearing the brunt of bullying by the religiously minded, when asked whether he believed in evolution or creationism when he was in Kendallville middle school. The teacher, a Taylor graduate, defended his putting my son in the crosshairs because he believes in creationism. Not only did this make no sense that a science teacher would believe in such nonsense, but it was amazing that a teacher would actually put children into such a position. After a talk with the principle and teacher, and them discussing things with my lawyer, the problem was solved, and it didn't come up again. I find it ironic that we allow people that have only taken 100 and 200 level courses on science to teach in that subject. It is obvious that the teacher doesn't understand the basic principles of science, and as such, is teaching our children wrong. What is to become of the children of the U.S. when they are falling behind so monumentally? This is online in many forums, and the discussion of many universities. Are we going to allow the religious right to not only rewrite history, but allow them to pick and choose which science is right, and which is wrong?

[hairypumper]

Evolution should be taught in school and creationism should be taught in church. The argument should be saved for a college psychology class.

[HoosierHelen]

Evolution should be taught in school and creationism should be taught in church. The argument should be saved for a college psychology class.

That is my vote for the order of things in this teaching. The argument certainly came up when I went to IU and also when my son went there. I suppose those who attend universities such as Oral Roberts most likely miss the exposure to discussions. I am speculating there....I really do not know?

[hairypumper]

This does not surprise me. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...tml?ref=topbar

[evilkumquat]

This does not surprise me. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...tml?ref=topbar

It's still embarrassing whenever a movie or television show uses a Kentucky accent to show someone is a Hoosier.

Then again, it's almost refreshing to remember that as backward as Indiana is, there's still some states even lower down the intelligence ladder than we are.

[blue adept]

This does not surprise me. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...tml?ref=topbar

Me either, this continued support for a non science is exactly the reason for the U.S. falling behind in science. Where we once ruled the world in enlightenment, innovation, and scientific advancement, we are now falling behind the world because of religion. This is exactly what the founding fathers warned us about when they seperated religion from government.

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Evolution should be taught in school and creationism should be taught in church. The argument should be saved for a college psychology class.

I'm kind of hung out to dry on that one Hairy,I mean what becomes of those College graduates? I don't know where I'd be if taken away what we had back in the day of attending grade school and they can not do now?

[blue adept]

I am just going to throw the gauntlet into the face of the religious right. Creationism, or intelligent design are just hoakum. If your " scientists" and I use that term loosely, have written a peer reviewed paper, putting forth their hypothesthis, and been published, please bring it forth, and let the debate begin. Otherwise, go ahead and be silent, and by your silence, admit you are wrong.

[sturmtiger]

Jesus did ride a dinosaur you know.

[Mr Douglas]

See 'cognitive dissonance'....Or, just stick your fingers in your ears and go "LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA"

[blue adept]

See 'cognitive dissonance'....Or, just stick your fingers in your ears and go "LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA"

Thats exactly what the religious right has been doing, and hurting the sciences in the U.S. The rest of the world is laughing at the once proud U.S., leader of the world in the sciences, first in secular thought. Now, if you want the best in DNA therapy, you have to go elsewhere, if you look at the doctors, theoraticians,or almost any science, the U.S. lags, and I put it all on the door of the religious right. It is so bad, many actually think intelligent design is an actual science, not to mention creationism. These laughable so called Christian "theories" and I use that term as they use it, not as it is used in science, are detrimental to the schooling of our children. Your children are using their precious time to learn hogwash. I will point out that no one has shown one actual scientist that has published on either topic.

[Mr Douglas]

Thats exactly what the religious right has been doing, and hurting the sciences in the U.S. The rest of the world is laughing at the once proud U.S., leader of the world in the sciences, first in secular thought. Now, if you want the best in DNA therapy, you have to go elsewhere, if you look at the doctors, theoraticians,or almost any science, the U.S. lags, and I put it all on the door of the religious right. It is so bad, many actually think intelligent design is an actual science, not to mention creationism. These laughable so called Christian "theories" and I use that term as they use it, not as it is used in science, are detrimental to the schooling of our children. Your children are using their precious time to learn hogwash. I will point out that no one has shown one actual scientist that has published on either topic.

As people pass through life they build up a world around them that, in their minds, fits what they want to 'believe'. 'Belief' is okay, but unfortunately, it's a lot like saying "I don't care if it's true or NOT!". I wish it were just relegated to religion vs chemical science, but it isn't.

[evilkumquat]

You want to REALLY gag?

Google "Kirk Cameron" and "bananas".

In a nutshell, Kirk Cameron (who is an extreme fundy nutball, for those unaware of his craziness) and an idiotic creationist friend of his make an argument against evolution by claiming that because bananas are so perfectly designed for human hands, clearly God created the world for his chosen people.

Douglas Adams summarized this ridiculously self-serving thinking with his puddle analogy:

Imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, "This is an interesting world I find myself in — an interesting hole I find myself in — fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!"

[sturmtiger]

One of the problems today is that the religious fanatical right has lots of money behind them that are willing to spend. Religious fanaticism has been around for a very long time. Now, with Tea Party backing and many corporate backers they are shoving their agenda down our throats. Harrypumper had it exactly right with "Evolution should be taught in school and creationism should be taught in church". Somehow, the Tea party has read a Constitution and papers from the creators of our Constitution that none of the rest of the world has read. While many of the creators of the Constitution were religious in their own way they went to extraordinary lengths to make sure that this country was founded on truth, free will and freedom not only from other countrys but also from religion. They did not add separation of church and state as an afterthought. It was a central tenant of the document.

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Thats exactly what the religious right has been doing, and hurting the sciences in the U.S. The rest of the world is laughing at the once proud U.S., leader of the world in the sciences, first in secular thought. Now, if you want the best in DNA therapy, you have to go elsewhere, if you look at the doctors, theoraticians,or almost any science, the U.S. lags, and I put it all on the door of the religious right. It is so bad, many actually think intelligent design is an actual science, not to mention creationism. These laughable so called Christian "theories" and I use that term as they use it, not as it is used in science, are detrimental to the schooling of our children. Your children are using their precious time to learn hogwash. I will point out that no one has shown one actual scientist that has published on either topic.

It's like that saying blue of skill is power. As example take this day in history eleven years ago.

We all know why the Twins were hit-money,money,money for what they represented but our primary Teachers-Media,avoids that truth as an disease by substituting their below the fold stories with their headline news. Because it's like being banned from their sites is what makes the FP so grand is my take on it of on this day in history.

[blue adept]

I will admit to calling you creationists, and intelligent designers out was not altruistic in nature. I am surprised that none of you googled it, and used the pseudo- science journals that are now out there by the score claiming to be peer reviewed by other scientists. It seems that the religious right will stop at nothing to promote their lies. I do not care if you believe in GOD, I know and respect many who do. I know of a Franciscan nun that not only has one of the strongest belief systems, but she also believes evolution is the way god set it up. That is fine with me, what is not fine, is the right trying to rewrite our science, so our kids are learning hoakum. People like Kruse, pence, romney, are trying to make our children believe things that are not true, and that will put them behind. This is not my opinion, this is fact. There are no actual science journals out there that accept creationism, or intelligent design.


http://ncse.com/rncse/30/6/latest-in...design-journal

[Mr Douglas]

It's like that saying blue of skill is power. As example take this day in history eleven years ago.

We all know why the Twins were hit-money,money,money for what they represented but our primary Teachers-Media,avoids that truth as an disease by substituting their below the fold stories with their headline news. Because it's like being banned from their sites is what makes the FP so grand is my take on it of on this day in history.

I could be shunned and 'cancelled' by most of my family, and certainly half of my facebook friends with a few sentences and a couple Youtubes about THAT....Physics is physics....metallurgy is metallurgy ('God' invented those 'laws' too, you know, lol). But, unfortunately, nobody can handle their imaginary belief bubble being popped. Causes bad feelings. I'm proud to be a tinfoil hat guy. I don't look to the sky while somebody pees in my boot, at least.
I was a "Truther" WAY BEFORE 9/11!! Funny how it goes over so many people's heads that SO OFTEN the word "truth" is now a derogatory term.

[TheBigB]

[Mr Douglas]

Yes, B, that's pretty much the direction it's headed. De-evolution. Funny how it can work both ways.

[Mr Douglas]

I could be shunned and 'cancelled' by most of my family, and certainly half of my facebook friends with a few sentences and a couple Youtubes about THAT....Physics is physics....metallurgy is metallurgy ('God' invented those 'laws' too, you know, lol). But, unfortunately, nobody can handle their imaginary belief bubble being popped. Causes bad feelings. I'm proud to be a tinfoil hat guy. I don't look to the sky while somebody pees in my boot, at least.
I was a "Truther" WAY BEFORE 9/11!! Funny how it goes over so many people's heads that SO OFTEN the word "truth" is now a derogatory term.

HERE'S an oldie, but a goodie for those who think the 'mafia', or 'communist sympathizers' killed JFK-