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    Romney has been well schooled and practiced in his preparation for last evenings debate. His only priority has been to run his campaign, while President Obama has been multi-tasking as President of our nation, dealing with international wars and conflicts while also believing he was preparing for a debate with candidate Romney. President Obama showed up for the 1st debate of this election process prepared to discuss the positions Romney and the Repubs have taken in this election. SURPRISE! Romney decided to change costumes and pretend to be a Democrat last evening (guess he noticed the polls were most favorable in that direction).

    Obama simply met a stranger at the debate last evening. How in the He*l Romney and his crew could declare an evening of lying and playing flip flop to be a win is left to their conscious? He obviously showed the world how comfortable he is with selling his soul in exchange for the truth. IF anyone really wishes to have our next President to represent us to be someone who is willing to lie to our nation and to lie to the world on who we are and what we stand for...go right ahead and flush your votes down Romney's toilet. Our President Obama was taken back as much as myself and my family were as we watched how easily Romney shifted everything he has supported in his campaign in 1 swift debate where he played like a bowl of jelly that could not be debated. Romney is nothing more than a greased down snake oil salesman who will lie to whatever audience shows up and do what he wants if he actually gets elected. (God forbid) Obama held the hard line and stuck to the truth in that debate. YES...he should have called Romney down when he was lying...yet...his lies were beyond comprehension....they were that large! It took me until this morning to digest how far from the truth Romney was willing to wander in that debate. Unbelievable and disgraceful on Romney's part.

    I have personally doubled down on my vote for Obama. No way do I wish to have a President of our great USA who can stand on stage in front of 60 million citizen viewers and look them in their eyes and lie to them. NO WAY!!
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    The best commentary I read on the debate is as follows (I'm paraphrasing): No undecided voter at this point is anyone who regularly reads or watches the news. And none of those sort of people are likely to watch the debates.

    Even if Romney had actually been "presidential" last night (as opposed to faking it and continuing his lying), it is unlikely to sway anyone who wasn't already voting for him in the first place.

    Pretty much any legitimate, respected pundit, even those who hate Obama, concede that he will win re-election (barring any unforeseen, last-minute, game-changing scandal).

    Romney ran a lousy campaign while Obama's record has enough successes to outweigh his failures (most of latter being the result of record-setting Republican obstructionism).
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    Evil- Obama's record? Really? Gas prices have doubled, the number of people who had to get food stamps is at a record high. He was going to "cut the defecit" instead he added 6 trillion, His shovel ready jobs, "weren't so shovel ready" , job loss is at an all time high. Yeah I know 4 years later, its all Bush's fault, that your guy didn't keep one promise.

    Helen- the POTUS has been doing double duty? He has not been running anything BUT his campaign for months! He couldnt even be bothered to meet with foriegn leaders, after the UN delegation, because he had a date with the ladies of the "View". I see where his priorities lie.

    AND who says Romney is lying? The mainstream left loving media?
    I think Mitt did an awesome job, he looked and acted every bit the confident leader he is. He looked Obama in the eye, and all he ( Obama ) did was look down at the podium like he wanted to crawl under it.

    IF Obama gets reelected, I hope you all get what you want. Unfortunately the rest of us will have to suffer right along with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pixiegirl View Post
    Evil- Obama's record? Really? Gas prices have doubled, the number of people who had to get food stamps is at a record high. He was going to "cut the defecit" instead he added 6 trillion, His shovel ready jobs, "weren't so shovel ready" , job loss is at an all time high. Yeah I know 4 years later, its all Bush's fault, that your guy didn't keep one promise.

    Helen- the POTUS has been doing double duty? He has not been running anything BUT his campaign for months! He couldnt even be bothered to meet with foriegn leaders, after the UN delegation, because he had a date with the ladies of the "View". I see where his priorities lie.

    AND who says Romney is lying? The mainstream left loving media?
    I think Mitt did an awesome job, he looked and acted every bit the confident leader he is. He looked Obama in the eye, and all he ( Obama ) did was look down at the podium like he wanted to crawl under it.

    IF Obama gets reelected, I hope you all get what you want. Unfortunately the rest of us will have to suffer right along with you.
    Pixie, we still have taxes on the very rich at historic lows, they haven't changed, and you are right, where are the jobs? Please tell me how giving the ultra rich even more money, is going to solve that? As for lying, all you have to do is go to politifact, or fact check.org to see the lies, and they are some whoppers. And, for the sake of argument, if Romney gets elected, I truly believe you will be the one surprised, and will suffer with the rest of us non-rich.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue adept View Post
    Pixie, we still have taxes on the very rich at historic lows, they haven't changed, and you are right, where are the jobs? Please tell me how giving the ultra rich even more money, is going to solve that? As for lying, all you have to do is go to politifact, or fact check.org to see the lies, and they are some whoppers. And, for the sake of argument, if Romney gets elected, I truly believe you will be the one surprised, and will suffer with the rest of us non-rich.
    From your post it sounds as if you are assuming that I am rich?? I'm as far from it as anybody. I lost my very good job a year ago when the company I worked for had to close the doors, and my husband is a self employed carpenter. We have had to lay off ALL of my husbands help, Thanks in part to the taxes your man put on small business. I am working 2 part time jobs, and we can barely make the mortgage and put food on the table. Since Obama took office, our conbined income is 1/3 of what it used to be. In fact with our kids and our income we actually qualify for food stamps. Which I REFUSE to take, my family will starve first!!
    I've been in the gutter and I didn't work my ***** of for some bozo, celebrity wanna be, card carrying socialist to put me back there!
    So What?! Romney doesn't want to raise taxes on the rich? He's not raising them on anyone. I'm not sure if Romney's tax plan or job creation plan will work. I'm not a fortune teller, but what I do know is that Obama's DIDN'T!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pixiegirl View Post
    From your post it sounds as if you are assuming that I am rich?? I'm as far from it as anybody. I lost my very good job a year ago when the company I worked for had to close the doors, and my husband is a self employed carpenter. We have had to lay off ALL of my husbands help, Thanks in part to the taxes your man put on small business. I am working 2 part time jobs, and we can barely make the mortgage and put food on the table. Since Obama took office, our conbined income is 1/3 of what it used to be. In fact with our kids and our income we actually qualify for food stamps. Which I REFUSE to take, my family will starve first!!
    I've been in the gutter and I didn't work my ***** of for some bozo, celebrity wanna be, card carrying socialist to put me back there!
    So What?! Romney doesn't want to raise taxes on the rich? He's not raising them on anyone. I'm not sure if Romney's tax plan or job creation plan will work. I'm not a fortune teller, but what I do know is that Obama's DIDN'T!
    I am in business, please tell me what extra tax President Obama put into place on small businesses? I never said, nor implied that you are rich, I said that you would have to suffer the same as the rest of us non-rich. I am tried of all the lies that my former party is spreading, I am tired of them flip flopping when they stick their feet in their mouths, but most of all I am tired of all the good people out there willing to believe their swill. If you look at the facts, yes i said facts, you will see that every point Romney made is either a half truth, or an all out lie. Particularly where it comes to Medicare, or social security. He wants nothing more than to continue to have even greater tax breaks for the very rich, and guess what, who do think is going to pay for them? You and I.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue adept View Post
    Pixie, we still have taxes on the very rich at historic lows, they haven't changed, and you are right, where are the jobs? Please tell me how giving the ultra rich even more money, is going to solve that? As for lying, all you have to do is go to politifact, or fact check.org to see the lies, and they are some whoppers. And, for the sake of argument, if Romney gets elected, I truly believe you will be the one surprised, and will suffer with the rest of us non-rich.
    We are not giving the rich more money, we are allowing them to keep what they earned. I do have to laugh when they refer Romney as being rich but completely ignore that Obama in his own right is a millionaire and is considered to be rich. I'm not bothered so much about raising taxes but what does bother me is how its going to be spent. If it's used to spend on non-essential programs or increase the size of government and not used to decrease our debt and deficit then I am opposed to any tax increases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue adept View Post
    I am in business, please tell me what extra tax President Obama put into place on small businesses? I never said, nor implied that you are rich, I said that you would have to suffer the same as the rest of us non-rich. I am tried of all the lies that my former party is spreading, I am tired of them flip flopping when they stick their feet in their mouths, but most of all I am tired of all the good people out there willing to believe their swill. If you look at the facts, yes i said facts, you will see that every point Romney made is either a half truth, or an all out lie. Particularly where it comes to Medicare, or social security. He wants nothing more than to continue to have even greater tax breaks for the very rich, and guess what, who do think is going to pay for them? You and I.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue adept View Post
    I am in business, please tell me what extra tax President Obama put into place on small businesses? I never said, nor implied that you are rich, I said that you would have to suffer the same as the rest of us non-rich. I am tried of all the lies that my former party is spreading, I am tired of them flip flopping when they stick their feet in their mouths, but most of all I am tired of all the good people out there willing to believe their swill. If you look at the facts, yes i said facts, you will see that every point Romney made is either a half truth, or an all out lie. Particularly where it comes to Medicare, or social security. He wants nothing more than to continue to have even greater tax breaks for the very rich, and guess what, who do think is going to pay for them? You and I.
    As a business owner I don't know if you hit the threshold of $250,000 but for the sake of the discussion let's suppose that you do. If you are one that will have his taxes increased as a result of Obama's increase in taxes will you increase your prices, eliminate job positions to cover the tax increase, or absorb the increase from your personal profit? I know it would be noble to say you are going to personally absorb the increase but we need to be realistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pixiegirl View Post
    Evil- Obama's record? Really? Gas prices have doubled, the number of people who had to get food stamps is at a record high. He was going to "cut the defecit" instead he added 6 trillion, His shovel ready jobs, "weren't so shovel ready" , job loss is at an all time high. Yeah I know 4 years later, its all Bush's fault, that your guy didn't keep one promise.
    Blind ignorance like this would almost be adorable if it weren't so appalling.

    Gas under Bush was at one point over $4 per gallon. I can't help but notice just up the street the gas station offering it at $3.79. If prices have "doubled", shouldn't it be closer to $8 per gallon?

    The latest jobs report shows unemployment down to 7.8 in September. And the reason so many are on SNAPS is because the economy is in the crapper due overwhelmingly to Bush and Republican policies of tax cuts for the rich. Thank god for the Democrats who started our social programs or these people would be starving now since the Republicans killed the economy.

    What kind of idiot thinks it's a good idea to fight a trillion dollars worth of wars while at the same time cutting the income coming in to pay for them?

    As to the economic problems, Bush took Clinton's surplus, gave his wealthy buddies HUGE tax breaks and started TWO wars (not to mention the fact the single greatest terrorist attack on US soil occurred on his watch). He left this mess to Obama to fix which would be hard enough as it is, but when coupled with RECORD AMOUNTS of partisan sabotage and stonewalling, it's amazing he's been able to accomplish what he has, including the first significant overhaul to our health care system since FDR.

    Oh yeah, he killed Osama, too.

    And ended DADT (which is good unless you're a hateful bigot).

    Incidentally, taxes are at a 30 year low now, even though morons still insist on thinking their personal taxes are somehow higher under this Administration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evilkumquat View Post
    Blind ignorance like this would almost be adorable if it weren't so appalling.

    Gas under Bush was at one point over $4 per gallon. I can't help but notice just up the street the gas station offering it at $3.79. If prices have "doubled", shouldn't it be closer to $8 per gallon?

    The latest jobs report shows unemployment down to 7.8 in September. And the reason so many are on SNAPS is because the economy is in the crapper due overwhelmingly to Bush and Republican policies of tax cuts for the rich. Thank god for the Democrats who started our social programs or these people would be starving now since the Republicans killed the economy.

    What kind of idiot thinks it's a good idea to fight a trillion dollars worth of wars while at the same time cutting the income coming in to pay for them?

    As to the economic problems, Bush took Clinton's surplus, gave his wealthy buddies HUGE tax breaks and started TWO wars (not to mention the fact the single greatest terrorist attack on US soil occurred on his watch). He left this mess to Obama to fix which would be hard enough as it is, but when coupled with RECORD AMOUNTS of partisan sabotage and stonewalling, it's amazing he's been able to accomplish what he has, including the first significant overhaul to our health care system since FDR.

    Oh yeah, he killed Osama, too.

    And ended DADT (which is good unless you're a hateful bigot).

    Incidentally, taxes are at a 30 year low now, even though morons still insist on thinking their personal taxes are somehow higher under this Administration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbass View Post
    Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot, defined by Merriam-Webster as "a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance".

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    Quote Originally Posted by evilkumquat View Post
    If you think gays shouldn't be allowed to serve openly in the armed forces, or if you think they don't deserve the same rights as anyone else, you're a bigot.
    I agree, but there are many forms of bigotry Evil. That was my point. Bigotry comes in a lot of different shapes and forms and irregardless of how someone tries to justify it, it is never a good thing.

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    We've had 3 or 4 Fence Posters say that Romney lies. Just curious, what are those lies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeyG View Post
    We've had 3 or 4 Fence Posters say that Romney lies. Just curious, what are those lies?
    No one is about to take the time to post them all here, so just Google "Romney lies".

    Off the top of my head, he said Obama is taking $700+ billion from Medicare patients (when it's actually what's being shaved off what is paid to hospitals and insurance companies who are fine with it because the ACA is reducing uninsured patients).

    Or there's the bit about 20 million people "losing insurance" under ACA when that number includes people leaving existing plans for better ones (or that more people than that are without health coverage already).

    Granted, you're already convinced to vote for Romney, so you'll just chalk up all the analysis of his habitual, pathological lying as just the "liberal media" going after him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeyG View Post
    We are not giving the rich more money, we are allowing them to keep what they earned. I do have to laugh when they refer Romney as being rich but completely ignore that Obama in his own right is a millionaire and is considered to be rich. I'm not bothered so much about raising taxes but what does bother me is how its going to be spent. If it's used to spend on non-essential programs or increase the size of government and not used to decrease our debt and deficit then I am opposed to any tax increases.
    Funny that, you don't see mr. religious Romney saying he needs to give more, you do see mr. Obama doing that. I wonder who the better, more altruistic guy is? As for letting them keep what they earned, bull hockey! the y pay less percentage in tax than the guy making 15 dollars an hour, your statement doesn't hold water Homey!
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    Lies During Fourth Year

    Because of Obamacare, “over the last two years, health care premiums have gone up — it’s true — but they’ve gone up slower than any time in the last 50 years.”
    politifact.com

    “I think it’s important for us to understand that the Fast and Furious program was a field-initiated program begun under the previous administration”
    abcnews.com

    Romney and Ryan will gut pell grants for low-income college students.
    Factcheck.org

    My budget will cut the deficit by $4 Trillion over 10 years.
    Factcheck.org

    “I am told that Governor Romney’s new running mate, Paul Ryan, might be around Iowa the next few days,” he said while in Council Bluffs, Iowa. “He is one of the leaders of Congress standing in the way. So if you happen to see Congressman Ryan, tell him how important this farm bill is to Iowa and our rural communities.”
    House passed bill on August 2, 2012 (Paul Ryan voted yes)

    The American automobile industry has come roaring back…So now I want to say what we did with the auto industry, we can do it in manufacturing across America. Let’s make sure advanced, high-tech manufacturing jobs take root here, not in China. And that means supporting investment here. Governor Romney … invested in companies that were called ‘pioneers’ of outsourcing. I don’t want to outsource. I want to insource.
    Forbes- Outsourcer-In-Chief: Obama Of General Motors

    “You Didn’t Build that”
    A few examples
    Lies During Third Year

    I will walk on that picket line with you, if workers are denied the right to bargain.
    Youtube

    In his 2012 State of the Union Address, President Obama said that American oil production is the highest that it’s been in eight years.
    www.breitbart.com

    I’ve done more for Israel’s security than any President ever
    Obama aided Islamic Extremists take over of Egypt/ Libya – Weapons pour into Gaza

    Virtually every Senate Republican voted against the tax cut last week
    Examiner

    “Every idea that we’ve put forward are ones that traditionally have been supported by Democrats and Republicans alike.”
    Like Raising taxes?

    Obama met highly qualified out of work teacher Robert Baroz
    He wasn’t out of work and Obama never met him.

    GOP Responsible for Obama Jobs Bill Not Passing
    Dems Rejected Jobs Bill

    You have 80 percent of the American people who support a balanced approach. Eighty percent of the American people support an approach that includes revenues and includes cuts. So the notion that somehow the American people aren’t sold is not the problem
    Gallup Poll: Only 69%

    These are obligations that the United States has taken on in the past. Congress has run up the credit card, and we now have an obligation to pay our bills.
    Looks like it’s been incurred mostly in the years of Obama

    Jobs Bill Paid for
    Seems not so much Paid for

    Then you’ve got their(GOP)which is dirtier air, dirtier water, less people with health insurance
    Barack Obama, campaiging in Asheville, NC, 10/17/11

    I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven’t resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it.
    American.com

    USA producing more oil than ever before
    Petroleum Insights

    Fence between US and Mexico is “Practically Complete”
    Department of Homeland Security says 5%

    Rich doesn’t pay their fair share.
    National Taxpayers Union

    Mitt Romney would deny gay people the right to adopt children.
    Cnn Interview
    Lies During Second Year

    Obama claimed the SCOTUS decision in Citizens United v. FEC, “open[ed] the floodgates for special interests — including foreign corporations — to spend without limit in our elections.
    nationalreview.com

    No signing statements to nullify or undermine congressional instructions as enacted into law
    Obama Lies to Keep Czars

    No “boots” on the ground Libya
    Anyone that has worked with the AC-130 gunship can tell you, you need spotters to let aircraft know where the targets are. Usually it is Special Forces, Rangers etc trained for this mission. It’s CIA Agents in Libya on the ground

    Reform will also rein in the abuse and excess that nearly brought down our financial system. It will finally bring transparency to the kinds of complex, risky transactions that helped trigger the financial crisis.
    Obama Lies About Financial Reform Bill

    All Americans WILL BE were, “surprised, disappointed and angry” about lockerbie bomber
    Obama Memo

    I will not rest until the BP Oil Spill stops
    Obama’s Schedule

    The health care bill will not increase the deficit by one dime.
    Campaign and Presidency

    If you like the health care plan you have you can keep it
    TownHall

    “Under our plan, no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions, and federal conscience laws will remain in place.”
    U.S. Capitol, Washington, D.C., September 9, 2009.

    ObamaCare Fee is not a new tax
    Obama denies healthcare is a new tax on all Americans

    We have run out of places in the US to drill for oil.
    Obama’s oval office speech in June 2010

    Now suddenly if you don’t have your papers and you took your kid out to get ice cream, you can be harassed, that’s something that could potentially happen.
    Arizona Immigration Law

    Doctors choose amputation because they get better compensation. Greedy Doctors taking out tonsils for more money.
    Claims never documented



    The Health Care Package will pay for itself
    Time

    Republicans don’t have a single idea that’s different from George Bush’s ideas — not one.
    Hmm Immigration?



    We shouldn’t Mandate the purchase of health care
    Democratic Debate Lies

    Obama says he’ll save average family $8,000 in gas
    Video Proof

    I am immediately instituting PayGo “Pay as you go”
    Said during a speech immediately after the Trillion Dollar “Shovel Ready” bill.

    I got the Message from Massachusetts
    Daily Bail
    Lies During First Year

    We began by passing a Recovery Act that has already saved or created over 150,000 jobs.” – caught cooking the books and now changed to ‘jobs supported’ versus ‘created/saved’
    AP fact Checker

    Number one, we inherited a $1.3 trillion deficit. … That wasn’t me.” – Congress, under Democratic control in 2007 and 2008, controlled the purse strings that led to the deficit Obama inherited.Obama supported the emergency bailout package in Bush’s final months — a package Democratic leaders wanted to make bigger.
    AP fact Checker

    Collective salvation
    Obama calls himself a Christian

    I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
    Obama Inauguration. 20 Jan 2009

    Cut Deficit in Half by end of first term
    Associated Press Video

    Health Care deals will be covered on C-span
    Obama Lies

    As President I will recognize the Armenian Genocide
    ABC



    Recovery Act will save or create jobs
    ABC News

    Unemployment rate will be 8.5% without stimulus.
    Obama Lies

    No Earmarks in the $787 Billion Stimulus
    CNN

    I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care plan
    Specator.Org

    We have launched a housing plan that will help responsible families facing the threat of foreclosure lower their monthly payments and refinance their mortgages.
    Obama Lies

    I am not somebody who promotes same-sex marriage.
    NPR

    Guantanamo bay to be closed within a year
    Council on Foreign Relations.

    Won’t Raise taxes on those making less than 250,000 per year.
    Businessweek: Obama Agnostic on taxes
    List of Tax Promise Violations
    2008 Campaign Lies

    I will walk the picket line with you, if workers are denied the right to bargain
    Youtube

    No more wiretapping of citizens
    Youtube

    Mr. Ayers as “a guy who lives in my neighborhood,” but “not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.
    News Busters

    I had a uncle who was one of the, who was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz and liberate the concentration camps
    United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

    Obama campaign would accept public funding
    ABC

    Minimum Wage will increase to $9.50/hr
    A Socialist

    Ann Dunham spent the months before her death in 1995 fighting with insurance companies that sought to deny her the coverage she needed to pay for treatment.
    Mounting Heath Care Lies

    Didn’t know Jeremiah Wright was Radical
    Dreams of My Father – A radical Socialist.

    Would have the most transparent administration in History
    Cato Institute

    We will go through our federal budget – page by page, line by line – eliminating those programs we don’t need, and insisting that those we do operate in a sensible cost-effective way.
    Boston Globe

    I have visited all 57 states.
    Snopes

    I’ll get rid of earmarks
    Source: Any bill passed during presidency

    When a bill lands on my Desk, The American people will have 5 days to review it before I sign it.
    Campaign Speech

    My father served in World War II.
    The Videos and the Facts

    Have troops out of Iraq by March 31, 2009
    News Video

    Seniors Making less than 50,000 will not have to pay taxes
    YouTube

    Would not vote for any bill supporting troop funding without a firm withdrawal commitment from the Bush Administration.
    He has done nothing but continue the Bush admins strategy and to explain how the “surges total failure” has now become his greatest achievement.

    Present Votes Are Common In Illinois
    NPR

    I Won Michigan
    Huffington Post

    I won Nevada
    The Nation

    I don’t Have Lobbyists
    US News

    My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad
    Crooks and Liars

    I Have Always Been Against Iraq
    Washington Post

    My Wife Didn’t Mean What She Said About Pride In Country
    CNN

    Barack was never an ACORN trainer and never worked for ACORN in any other capacity.
    Obama Campaign Video

    I Barely Know Rezko
    Sun Times

    http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeyG View Post
    We've had 3 or 4 Fence Posters say that Romney lies. Just curious, what are those lies?
    And yet we still have those fence posters that believe Obama was born in Africa even though that has been proven false time and again, Now they are saying he has more than one social security #, tomorrow they will say he is an alien, not from Africa but alpha centauri. Give me a break, there are those of you who are too afraid to be labled as bigots, but what you are really thinking is black! Why else would you keep looking for a reason to get him out of office? You birthers make me sick!
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    Default Re: Presidential Debates - 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by evilkumquat View Post
    No one is about to take the time to post them all here, so just Google "Romney lies".

    Off the top of my head, he said Obama is taking $700+ billion from Medicare patients (when it's actually what's being shaved off what is paid to hospitals and insurance companies who are fine with it because the ACA is reducing uninsured patients).

    Or there's the bit about 20 million people "losing insurance" under ACA when that number includes people leaving existing plans for better ones (or that more people than that are without health coverage already).

    Granted, you're already convinced to vote for Romney, so you'll just chalk up all the analysis of his habitual, pathological lying as just the "liberal media" going after him.
    I decided to take Evil's advice and google Romney lies. Here's the sites that came up first: LBBT/POV, New Statesman, Romney the Liar, Rolling Stone, Daily kos, Mediate, The Daily Beast, ThinkProgress.org, Huffington Post, Crooks and Liars, . I would hardly call them an independent source, without any bias, for reliable news. The closest to an honest source was The Washington Post but it's article was in the Opinions section. It took 6 pages before I ran into a news story from a major news media which was CBS News. However, it was a printed story from The New Republic and it had a disclaimer that the opinions express was solely that of the author.

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    Default Re: Presidential Debates - 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by blue adept View Post
    And yet we still have those fence posters that believe Obama was born in Africa even though that has been proven false time and again, Now they are saying he has more than one social security #, tomorrow they will say he is an alien, not from Africa but alpha centauri. Give me a break, there are those of you who are too afraid to be labled as bigots, but what you are really thinking is black! Why else would you keep looking for a reason to get him out of office? You birthers make me sick!
    Again, another unsubstantiated accusation. I don't believe there has any Fence Poster said that they believe Obama was born in Africa. Has it ever occur to you that we may not like his policies and it has nothing to do with the individual.

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