secularism sounds good!

[blue adept]

I really like this guy!



http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=77b_1346338563

[blue adept]

This one's for you Evil!!


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5f8_1347363385

[evilkumquat]

This one's for you Evil!!


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5f8_1347363385

Yeah, I've seen this before and he's so depressingly correct that no Christian would dare take the two minutes it would take to watch this enlightenment.

[blue adept]

Unfreakingly unbelievable!!

Both 1 and especially 2

http://www.upworthy.com/down-ballot-...ape-guy?c=upw1

[blue adept]

I find it ironic that our science boards and education boards are filled with such scientifically challenged people. You religious righters out there must be having a rigid cellulose time of it!

[blue adept]

I just had Colbert explain it all to me, apparently reality is by majority vote. Therefore if enough school board members say it is so, it is. How easy, and why do we need scientists?

[blue adept]

I have noticed that none of you are quick to support the nonsensical positions on teaching creationism, I wonder, is it because keeping your heads in the sand is easier? After all, evolution has actual scientific principles that apply, and actual proofs that can be seen, and repeatable data that can observed, but I know, it's easier to ignore rational thought, and blindly follow the nitwits leading those of you that think we walked with dinosaurs. I believe students in Indiana are going to be taking a big hit, and our science programs will go the way of the dodo.

[HomeyG]

I have noticed that none of you are quick to support the nonsensical positions on teaching creationism, I wonder, is it because keeping your heads in the sand is easier? After all, evolution has actual scientific principles that apply, and actual proofs that can be seen, and repeatable data that can observed, but I know, it's easier to ignore rational thought, and blindly follow the nitwits leading those of you that think we walked with dinosaurs. I believe students in Indiana are going to be taking a big hit, and our science programs will go the way of the dodo.

Naw Blue,

Just tired of the same old arguments. Besides, it's a moot point, you are not going to change your mind and I am not going to change mine.

[bigbass]

I have noticed that none of you are quick to support the nonsensical positions on teaching creationism, I wonder, is it because keeping your heads in the sand is easier? After all, evolution has actual scientific principles that apply, and actual proofs that can be seen, and repeatable data that can observed, but I know, it's easier to ignore rational thought, and blindly follow the nitwits leading those of you that think we walked with dinosaurs. I believe students in Indiana are going to be taking a big hit, and our science programs will go the way of the dodo.

Blue,

Have you ever heard the old saying "You draw more flies with honey than vinegar"? Perhaps opening by stating that peoples beliefs are "nonsensical" or they are hiding their "heads in the sand" or that they are "ignoring rational thought" or blindly following "nitwits" is a little bitter to some. It may also be that they just don't want to get into a flame war with you and a couple of other regular posters on here who pretty much own the Fence Post now, why do you need to go trolling for new blood?

[blue adept]

Blue,

Have you ever heard the old saying "You draw more flies with honey than vinegar"? Perhaps opening by stating that peoples beliefs are "nonsensical" or they are hiding their "heads in the sand" or that they are "ignoring rational thought" or blindly following "nitwits" is a little bitter to some. It may also be that they just don't want to get into a flame war with you and a couple of other regular posters on here who pretty much own the Fence Post now, why do you need to go trolling for new blood?

I had a private that was on my team once, and I couldn't convince him of the truth either, I tried and tried using tact, it didn't work, all he did was come up with answers that had no merit, or substance, finally I tried direct slap him in the face facts, and after his world went to ****, and he was headed in a direction I couldn't save him from he told me that I should have tried that method the first time around. I know i will never convince some of you people, but if I get even one of you to look at the truth, it will be worth it. What you all fail to realize, is that you are forcing you religious beliefs on my children and grandchildren. I know you will say I am forcing my opinion on yours, but that is not true, you may teach them anything you want, just don't include my progeny. Besides the creation, intelligent design shtick is just that, and you will find absolutely no credible scientist to refute it. How many times must you be told the sky is blue? I am sure Galileo was told to stop rocking the boat also, and his Romney, Ryan told him they knew best.




One last thing, you accuse me and others of "owning" the fence post, I like that, instead of using true argument, or facts [which the creationist side doesn't have] or reality, you accuse us of something it isn't possible for us to do, own some others property. Exactly the problem!

[blue adept]

Naw Blue,

Just tired of the same old arguments. Besides, it's a moot point, you are not going to change your mind and I am not going to change mine.

Yeah, I figured, I have the same trouble trying to tell some people that you can't over-wind a wristwatch, or that it is not possible to be allergic to gold, or silver, or that you do not have enough magnetism in your body to stop a watch, and I fail to convince them too. The question of course, is who is correct, and who is being fooled, I can prove my points using science, prove yours the same way!

[HomeyG]

Yeah, I figured, I have the same trouble trying to tell some people that you can't over-wind a wristwatch, or that it is not possible to be allergic to gold, or silver, or that you do not have enough magnetism in your body to stop a watch, and I fail to convince them too. The question of course, is who is correct, and who is being fooled, I can prove my points using science, prove yours the same way!

I was intrigued by one of your comments that it is not possible to be allergic to gold. I know of individuals that cannot wear a wedding ring because they have a reaction so I decided to do a little research.

The following link contradicts your statement and I wonder who should we believe.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11244133

[blue adept]

I was intrigued by one of your comments that it is not possible to be allergic to gold. I know of individuals that cannot wear a wedding ring because they have a reaction so I decided to do a little research.

The following link contradicts your statement and I wonder who should we believe.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11244133

If you read the whole report you will see that it is linked to cobalt and nickel allergies, while it does not say what the percentage of gold that was used. It is impossible to be allergic to gold as it is chemically inactive. If you had a background in chemistry this would say it all. Also, Nickel is one of the most common allegies out there and is present in all "white" gold as an alloy. My statement is correct, they can put gold into your body with no reaction, the percentage has to be 16K or higher to counteract the allergic response of the alloys used. If I am loosing you, please talk to a qualified Jeweler who can explain it better. One last thing, most of the jewelry out there has plating on it, I have found that the platings used are often the cause of allergic reactions, although the most common allergy is the dirt that has not been cleaned from the jewelry. Also, the gold was present as a salt along with sulfa and a carrier[petrolatum] either of which is chemically reactive, and allows the body to react.

[blue adept]

I was intrigued by one of your comments that it is not possible to be allergic to gold. I know of individuals that cannot wear a wedding ring because they have a reaction so I decided to do a little research.

The following link contradicts your statement and I wonder who should we believe.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11244133

This article would tend to bolster what I am telling you, pay close attention to the dental gold part, also it talks of jewelry without saying what karat which makes a huge difference, I do not understand how they can test anything with the addition of sulfa as it is a common allergen, and without making the gold[what ever the quality] into a salt, your body would not react to it, unless you are filled with mercury, or aqua regia, in which case you have a more serious problem.




http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10826096

[blue adept]

Yet again a little research and you can find the true answer. I went and checked this J.A. Fowler for some of his other papers. In every instance they are talking about alloys which differ across the spectrum of labs that produce them. It is not the gold they are allergic too.

Most of these problems could have been solved by switching to higher karatage gold with less alloy metal as gold does not dissolve like copper,cobalt,nickel, etc.




Only recently studies have realized that a more mundane
use of Au in the form of the diverse alloys used in jewellery
could bring to sensitization problems. Dissolution of metallic
Au is notoriously difficult, but the process is facilitated by
the presence of other metals in the alloy or in the neighbour-
hood [87, 88]. Gold allergy often presents as dermatitis at the
site of jewellery contact, i.e., earlobes and fingers, but it also
may present solely as eyelid dermatitis [89]. More positive
reactions to 0.2% gold chloride in the patients with pierced
than in patients without pierced ears have been documented
[63]. In 1988, Fowler reported 2 women with eyelid dermati-
tis and positive patch tests to Au whose eruptions cleared
with avoidance of Au jewellery. It was postulated that the
allergen was being transferred from the hands to the eyelids
as is commonly seen with allergic reactions to tosylamide
formaldehyde resin [90]. In Portugal, contact allergy to GST
and to potassium dicyanoaurate was found in 23 patients, all
the reactors were women and had their ears pierced with Au
earrings [91]. Ehrlich and Belsito found that 7 of 15 Au-
allergic patients cleared their dermatitis by not wearing Au
jewellery [92]. In Spain it was described that a lady pre-

[bigbass]

I think what Blue is referring to is how Republicans and Conservatives have done their best into turning our secular government into the enforcement division of their church.

If you personally vote for someone who says he intends to govern based on the teachings of his church, you are passively forcing your own religious beliefs on the rest of us.

I believe Blue should have been able to answer this himself! I have NO religious beliefs!